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As a group, Muslims are not saved. No doubt some of them who haven't heard an accurate message about Jesus are on the path to salvation and will end up being saved. I believe your logic requires that Jesus is the totality of God. But you say that you are not sure if Jesus and the father are the...

No, as a group, they are not saved. If I have to give an opinion, I say that guess Muslims are worshipping the true God, but with serious errors!

I disagree that it is simple. Hindus who talk about Christ consciousness, same God with errors? Or different God? Oneness Pentecostals, same God with errors? Or different God? Jehovah's witnesses? same God with errors? Or different God?

If you don't know, then how can you say that someone who is in error about Jesus can't believe that the true God exists? No, I don't believe God told Christians one thing and Muslims another. I think the Koran, what little I've read of it, gets some things right, and a lot of things wrong!

To me, that sounds like an opinion. And of course, everyone is welcome to their opinion. It seems to me that every false religion is going to contain an attack on some foundational aspect of Christianity. If a person expresses a different opinion than yourself on this matter, do you say that...

I do think that Paul is saying that the Athenians and the Greeks in general were on the right track. I'm not implying in any way that they were close to the finish line! But the same God that Paul is talking about? I think so, based on what he goes on to say Acts 17: 28 'For in him we live...

I believe we agreed earlier that all humans were in the plan of salvation.

If they reject Jesus, then no, they cannot be saved. I believe the verse refers to those who haven't heard the good news of Jesus Christ!

From what I've heard from some pagans, they don't think there is such a thing as sin, thus rendering Jesus' death meaningless. To me, that would be just as bad, but it's a matter of opinion. And of course we disagree there. I think that's a matter of speculation. If that is their master plan...

If I have to give an opinion, yes. No, that part they've got wrong. No, not really. I am interested in the unity of the body of Christ! 1 Corinthians 1: 10 Now I beg you, brothers, through the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions...

I agree that Jesus and the father are one, and thank you for the response. But it doesn't quite answer the question, "Do you believe that the Father and Jesus are separate in some way?" I'll ask a similar question in case that one isn't clear. Are Jesus and the Father the same in every respect...

No, I do not believe that Muslims adore Jesus as a God. Myself, I'm not really big on trying to figure out if Muslims are worshiping the same God as Christians or not. If I have to give an opinion, then yes, I think they do. If someone says that since Jesus is God, if Muslims don't worship...

Well, I think the verse actually says devils, which is plural. Most translations today say demons. Yes, demons acknowledge that there is one God. But demons are not in the plan of salvation because the plan of salvation relates to humans, as I understand how most people use the phrase.

Only God knows, but my guess is the ones who love this way. Romans 2: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life.

If I put the connotation into my own words, it will necessarily change some of the meaning. But I think one thing they want to say is that Muslims are further along the path towards salvation than pagan groups or atheists. Another thing is that they don't want to fight wars with them anymore...

You are, of course, welcome to have that opinion. You can believe that the holy Spirit has given you, personally and directly, the correct interpretation of the scriptures that leads you to that position. and on the basis of that personal revelation, you can decide to exclude certain people...

No, the devil is not in the plan of salvation. But I believe we did agree earlier that everyone (meaning every human) is in the plan of salvation.

An analogy is a tool for understanding, imo. How many beliefs about God do two people have to have in common in order to be worshiping the same God? For example, some Christians say God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago. Some Christians say God created the Earth over 4 billion years ago...

Of course you're welcome to your opinion. If you only read a small part of a long document, is there a greater chance of misunderstanding then if you read most or all of it?

Right, that intention to save everyone is what I think the lumen gentium means when it says the plan of salvation. But yes, that doesn't mean that everyone is saved!