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We are talking about two different things. When I talk about the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, I am speaking about it from my perspective, not yours. Then you come back to criticize me for what I am saying, as if I am talking about what you define. We are talking about two different things.

Which of these examples is "anoint", rather than "baptize"? Where does the baptism with the Holy Spirit occur in these examples? The outpouring at Pentecost - Acts chapter two - AFTER The believers in Samaria - Acts 8:14-17 - AFTER Saul’s Conversion - Acts 9:17-19 - BEFORE The house of...

I'm amused by your mixed metaphors. What do get when you combine "cut to the chase" and "get to the point"? (your opening sentence) lol That's a great question though. Thanks. Neither baptism is REQUIRED, to be saved. Water baptism is a ceremony. An outward expression of an inward reality...

That's good. And there is a pervasive thought that we have ALL the answers. (not so) This used to bother me when I believed it. It finally occurred to me that faith requires us to NOT have all the answers. If there were no questions left unanswered, it would not require faith to believe. I...

The order of the baptisms can go either way. Where does the baprism with the Holy Spiirit occur in these examples? The outpouring at Pentecost - Acts chapter two - AFTER The believers in Samaria - Acts 8:14-17 - AFTER Saul’s Conversion - Acts 9:17-19 - BEFORE The house of Cornelius - Acts...

In Acts 8:14-17 we see the Apostles going to Samaria to assist the new believers. "because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." - vs 16 There must have been no evidence that the Spirit had come on them. (that's on, not...

Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness. By faith we were saved. Acts 10:42-43 NIV He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him...

The Apostle's Creed and the Nicene Creed specifically.

No evidence then?

Are you claiming to have been baptized in the Holy Spirit? Jesus told the disciples to wait for the baptism which was outpoured at Pentecost. The outpouring came with evidence. What evidence did you get?

Just to be clear, I have always maintained that water baptism is a ceremony. And I define a ceremony as an outward demonstration of an inward reality. The inner reality was done by God. We agree on that point. The outward demonstration has been assigned to us. As has the authority to do so...

You probably wouldn't introduce a personal attack like this unless you thought you were losing the debate. And that's what this is, a debate. Why should I be criticized for confidently presenting my views? Or be slanderously characterized as "argumentative and self-righteous" for doing so? That...

That is just a ridiculous statement, on so many levels. We were identified as sinners prior to coming to Christ. But we are now justified by grace. Would you dismiss every ministry of the church claiming it is done by "sinners"? As if we are somehow unfit, even though God has given us this work...

Where does the Bible call water baptism "the baptism of God"? Perhaps I'm not the one with serious issues. Besides your pet verse, do you have anything else that indicates only one baptism? You are actually playing both sides of this. You claim there is only one baptism while contending one...

This topic is about the NT pattern of two baptisms. I have provided seven biblical examples. What are you going to do with those seven?

So, you would consider that a baptism?

Sorry, I disagree.

Both are a partnership between God and humankind from my perspective. We immerse those who are water baptized. And we lay hands on those who are Holy Spirit baptized.

Which baptism are you claiming is from man?

That's a great example of "proof-texting". Taking your personal opinion to the Bible in search of biblical authority. He was talking about unity in the church, the body of Christ. Water baptism is for that purpose, the baptism with the Holy Spirit is not. He wasn't discussing how many kinds...