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I don't know what you mean by "ministry gifts", but if it falls into the category of 1corinthians 12:8-10, it ain't happening. No man has power from God today to do by his own doing, anything of a miraculous nature. There are strange, unexplainable things done all the time by virtue of the...

All those listed in 1 Corinthians 12:8-10, all of which were enabled by the laying on of the apostle's hands

I don't need Derek whomever. I believe the Word of God which is clear. Gifts have ended and are no longer necessary. Apostles are dead and Gifts cannot be enabled as a result thereof. That's very clear by scripture irrespective of what anyone says including Derek or you. Believe what you like.

Examples of prophecy and what was prophesied? Miracles, done by the hands of men?

And one thing for sure a church isn't: a/the building

If that's the case, you must have been asleep when he knocked on your door to speak to you.

So, "the perfect" is what specifically? The great day of the Lord? The appearing of Christ? Christ? What is "the perfect"?

You appear to be hung up on gifts, so I suggest you do a deep dive into how the gifts were made manifest. If you do, you find that the gifts, the miraculous manifestations of the Spirit, were imparted byvthe laying on of the apostle's hands; so thats bring the fact, its more possible that the...

Just conceding dots (scripture), and basing conclusions upon the proper situations and timeframes, not taking things out of linear and logical context as most do. What do the scriptures say, to whom, when, and what were the issues present there at that time???

This response is devoid of sense! What did you mean and predicated upon what scripturally?

I don't think so. It was poorly worded if I recall, and if that's what she meant, I think she's contradicting herself and position taken. I think she meant she'll follow the bible and the bible says (in her opinion), "that which is perfect" infers 'till the end of the world. If I'm wrong, I do...

The Bible does NOT say that the gifts will not end until the world ends. Where does it say that? Let me help you: IT DOESN’T, NO WHERE

No problem. Hope you get something out of it and it helps your understanding of the subject.

Act Actually, no. This is an extract from a larger writing on the subject of gifts. Some things are difficult to unravel and require greater explanation.

Yep. The miraculous gifts listed in 1 cor 12:8-10. All were manifestations of the Spirit, enabled by the laying on of the apostle's hands, and they're DED!

I wrote it. And I think I've explained the subject. You're placing what Paul said in a completely different timeframe than intended by him. Once again, read carefully and understand who the letters were written to and subjects being addressed on THAT timeperiod. Gifts were short lived and...

What was the reason for the gifts? When was this written, and to whom? It deals with the early church, building it, edifying it. It has nothing to do with the future with Christ; its all about the earthly kingdom, the church, the body of Christ.

See my post 592 just posted here for another person

I've just reposted sine of this gor someone else

Read the below scriptures carefully noting how the body of Christ is equated to the body of a man with all the diverse pieces that must fit together and function together to make the body function as it should, and the gifts are likened together various body parts, enabling them to function as a...