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    A husband of one wife...

    R Ready for a curveball question? What is the only criteria Christ presents as grounds for divorce?
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    A husband of one wife...

    Where is "accountability partner" mentioned in the scripture? Again "An overseer must be... the husband of one wife." Let's stay on track, does the scripture say this?
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    A husband of one wife...

    At this point I am going to start another conversation thread addressing biblical grounds for polygamy. But yet again, I am not arguing polygamy here just that Paul in Titus and 1 timothy presents and mandate to marry, I am saying that it says, "an overseer must be above, reproach, [must be]...
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    A husband of one wife...

    No, you are not wrong. 10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of...
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    A husband of one wife...

    I think we can agree that the scripture can say something, mean different, and be applied differently. For instance, the scripture commands, anyone who murders should be put to death, Saul murdered Christians, came to the faith, and was received by the church as an apostle, I think the letter...
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    A husband of one wife...

    Is what is happening in Ephesus and Crete, recorded in the Scripture? Truly, answer me?
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    A husband of one wife...

    Forgive me, but I am not seeing where we differ? I am that Titus and first Timothy mandate and officer to be married. No church applies this even orthodox tradition, that requires they be married at one time, allow widowers and I think divorcees. This is because such a command is very...
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    A husband of one wife...

    What is Cultural Context? - Vocab Dictionary I will readily admit that Paul uses innuendo sometimes, but unless you are going to apply cultural context to every item of criteria, it does not work here. For example, I know I can drink more than the average person, and that is not a boast, but...
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    A husband of one wife...

    Why don't you tell me because, I am not sure were in the same wavelength. And I think my answer will still be: "Words no longer have meaning..." Antonin Scalia "For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2...
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    A husband of one wife...

    Thank you, Yes, Phoebe a deaconess, though some may disagree if she was, I do not. I believe phoebe was a deaconess, and I believe that this affirms my conclusion. The criterion for deacons is presented as male, here is a female deacon(ess) Ergo the criteria is not a binding criterion. Which is...
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    A husband of one wife...

    This is also my point, surprisingly, I am arguing that we should follow spirit of the Law not Letter of the Law. But I am saying that the letter of the Law says that an officer must be married. It is like this, the law of this land says not to speed, I am pulled over for speeding, The officer...
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    A husband of one wife...

    Dino I am very sorry, but can you restate your questions, at this point I am trying to answer everyone's but I am getting lost in the conversation, I may have answered them already, and you may not have liked my answerrs.
  13. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Yes, Jesus taught something true, but it was an amendable criteria about divorce, ask me how?
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    A husband of one wife...

    I honestly appreciate everyone's responses. I am an extrovert that processes information through discussion, But I am also a choleric temperament and direct personality. And I like to consider myself cerebral, which often comes off as aloof, but everyone would consider themselves to be an...
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    Poll about how you see predestination/freewill

    I think that is actually closer to Molinism. Open theism is a theological viewpoint that God does not exercise meticulous control of the universe1. Instead, God leaves it "open" for humans to make significant choices (free will) that impact their relationships with God and others
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    A husband of one wife...

    If polygamy was not in common practice at this time or culture, Paul is not speaking of it in this context. Though yet again, I am not here to discuss polygamy, but the mandate as found in Titus and 1 Timothy for officers to be married. And I am arguing that we need to interpret this section...
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    A husband of one wife...

    Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, (1 timothy 3:2, ESV) This is my point: An Overseer Must be "above reproach" must be "a husband of one wife" Must be "sober-minded" must be...
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    A husband of one wife...

    I believe that most men who have the desire to practice polygamy, should not practice it, and find contentment in the state they are in. But I am against taking a part of scripture and arguing for something that it doesn’t say.
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    A husband of one wife...

    If it is a mandate, which I sincerely do, this would disqualify bachelors, widowers, and divorcees from office, meaning that a officer must always be in a marital relationship to hold office, which would open the door to those who practice polygamy. The very fact that the word here is translated...
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    A husband of one wife...

    Is it proper to translate the phrase, “A husband of one wife” or “a man, of one woman,” is this what you are pointing out? If so can we begin by agreeing that the word for man can be translated husband, whether it is or should be translated here, leave separately? I think you are attempting...