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Do you not understand? I'm not interested. For the reasons given.

See, this is why I'm not interested in discussion with you. This shows your attitude, your style, whatever you want to call it. I'm just not interested. Like I don't post Scripture. Like I don't make numerous allusions to passages. Like I don't salt my posts with quotes from the Bible even...

I'd say the real pejorative here is in calling others "works-phobic", which patently misrepresents those who believe works will follow real faith. Much love!

To be sure, the chapter catalogues the obedient acts these all did because of their faith, and in every place, the act was a result of the belief, and was not equated with that belief. Because Noah believed God he obeyed God building the ark. Because Abraham believed God he went out from his...

It's just poor interpretation, and I think in this case results from putting the conclusion first. How someone can get around Romans 4 is beyond me. Romans 4:1-8 KJV 1) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2) For if Abraham were justified...

The command is to believe. That does not redefine believe as obey. This is typical for you. Just a little sleight of hand, but that is not the Way. Just be advised I don't intend to address your posts, I'm interested in honest and open and respectful discussion. Much love!

To me this is a very simple thing. True faith leads to obedience. That does not make faith and obedience the same thing. Much love!

This is exactly the kind of thing I was running into that led me to disengage. The points themselves were different, but the process was exactly like you've described here. You have a good way with words btw. Much love!

Yeah, false humility will do that. Pride in asserting one's self over others, that will do it. Unbelief will do that, thinking you have to buy your way in. A deceiver will do that. Paul wrote about those who were trying to subvert other's faith as that they might glory in their flesh, that...

Yes, restating the assertion as a conclusion. Romans for completely refutes that notion that faith and obedience are the same thing. They are clearly not. Good post! Much love!

I've found the same thing, that's why I don't engage this member. Things just like this, false equivalencies snuck into the discussion, sources that refute the assertions he claims they support, and yes, all the personal stuff that signals a poor argument, and more. It's not fruitful. Much love!

I just take it for what it says, that's how I read the Bible. If you've risen with Christ, you shall appear with Him. And so it shall be! :) Happy Resurrection Day!!! Much love!

It makes a flat statement, with no room for contradiction. Thank you for your response! Much love!

You've brought out some important clarifications. These kinds of subtle differences are what make for deception, tiny changes in theme or wording, and the like. Good post! Much love!

No, I'm not saying that. But when someone "goes out" and says they never really believed to begin with, it's clear. Much love!

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 KJV 30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 John 3:1-3 KJV 1) Behold, what manner of love the...

Of course He can, only, He never says He will. He can turn the world into a mushroom but He doesn't. Here's one to start with. Before I spend a lot of time typing let's see if you believe this one place: Colossians 3:1-4 KJV 1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are...

That's right. I have not. I don't believe you have either. No one who is regenerated is lost. If that were happen, New Testament prophecies would remain unfulfilled, rendering the Bible false. Much love!

You are fudging on the distinction. Yes, the same God who gave the Law to Israel also died to save us gentiles. Just the same, the two covenants are not the same, and we do well to understand the difference, in my opinion. Much love!

Scripture please. He never speaks of undoing His seal. Never. And if that were to happen, I can think of a number of clearly stated passages that would suddenly become untrue. Much love!