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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Since the Bible itself does not use the redundant term MIRACULOUS MIRACLES I refuse to do so. If we have to import or coin neologisms from outside the scriptures in order to make it agree with our presuppositions then we are engaging in EISEGESIS not EXEGESIS not which is contrary to the sound...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    So there is a difference between miracles and MIRACULOUS miracles??
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Though you state dogmatically that the word perfect as it is used in the NT implies DEITY. Let us examine the scripture you brought up to see if what it states is consistent with your premise. 1 Corinthians 13:10 but when the PERFECT comes, the PARTIAL passes away. The word PERFECT that is...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    So you demand that someone who is truly led by the Spirit prove themselves to you by doing every one of the miracles on your list before you will believe them. Paul never said anything of the sort. He that a true child of God will recognize his kinship with the Father by virtue of the indwelling...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Your phrase "whatever Paul meant (i.e., by "the Perfect") shows that you yourself either do not know or will not venture to say what you THINK Paul meant when he used that term. Despite being admittedly unable to say for certain what Paul meant you, nevertheless, go on to conclude that this...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    So, to you, any and all claims of miracles are on par with Big Foot, Nessie and flat-earthers? This shows that you have assumed the philosophical premise of Naturalism which is the assumption that only natural laws and forces (as opposed to supernatural ones) operate in the universe. According...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    This is a very sad commentary. I have seen many people trying to make revivals and miracles happen by stirring up an atmosphere they believe RESEMBLED "moves of God" in the past. The fact that they TRY shows that it is not real but a human action. I grew weary with simulated revivals and...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I have seen this reasoning before which seems to be based on the mathematical/statistical argument that, regardless of how it APPEARS to be in the Bible, miracles are and ALWAYS HAVE been extremely rare and infrequent in light of all the accumulated time when no miracles occurred at all. From...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    A. This is what you seem to be saying 1) First you flatly say that THERE ARE NO MIRACLES today. 2) However, then you go on to stipulate that while miracles STILL DO HAPPEN they only come about as ANSWERS to PRAYER 3) Next, you qualify your proposition further saying that modern miracles ARE NOT...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    The central issue here is not about the practices of the Synagogue but about what the word itself tells us to do. Paul instructed Timothy using as his referrance what : …15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I also see no contradiction in seeking BOTH medical help and the assistance of God through prayer. Asa, the good king who fell from his faith was wrong to seek out the help of physicians only because he did so INSTEAD OF seeking the help of God: 12 In the thirty-ninth year of his reign, Asa...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    To NT believers the Law and the prophets WERE the word of God which is why the Apostles used the ancient writings to prove that Jesus was the Lamb, that His resurrection and ascension represented His assuming the ongoing role of Intercessor and Redeemer
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    The Jewish people had a strong and very ancient tradition of females and males being involved in what we might call "music ministry" 2 Chronicles 5:12 lists who were the Levitical leaders of this ministry even gives details about what actually happened: …12 all the Levitical singers—Asaph...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I have cited several instances where women led congregational worship and played instruments. David, being a worshiper himself, set up teams of Levites who played instruments to glorify God. Why do you say you have no such thing? Do you belong to the Church of Christ which does not believe in...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    This goes too far. In Judges 5, Deborah, who was considered to be a prophetess and judge in Israel, sang before the people to celebrate their victory over Sisera. In the same way, Mirium, the sister of Moses, who was called “Miriam the prophetess” in Exodus 15:20 led the women in praise, dancing...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I agree that we cannot understand "being silent" as an absolute ban on women speaking. How could a women be expected to function as "prophetesses" giving inspired words (either sung or proclaimed) in order to edify, exhort and comfort or to proclaim the gospel if they are forbidden to speak...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    At times, I have posed this question to those who are hard-line believers in WOF. "If you had been bitten by a dog who had symptomatic rabies, would you refuse treatment on the basis that you have been healed by faith - or would they take the vaccine? I do not do this very often because I do...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    The Commission is not saying that in every generation the whole project has to start all over again in Jerusalem. You do not take into account the fact that the Bible, in addition to being a repository of abstract/spiritual truths is also a NARRATIVE - a sequence of events that took place in...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    The early Church historically understood the Great Commission to be a call for ALL believers to join in Christ's work of sowing the seed of the gospel and harvesting souls for the kingdom. This call and labor never limited to the 12 original Apostles. In fact their work of MAKING DISCIPLES OF...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    That was the plan - Jerusalem first and then out to other regions. Are we supposed to assume that nothing has changed since then - that the plan has not gone far beyond where it started? As for me, I have already lived in Jerusalem. I suppose, in your paradigm, that puts me one step ahead of you.