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    Saved by Water

    The Greek word translated name here also means authority or cause. Immersed in the cause of the Lord Jesus. Immersed in the authority of the Lord Jesus.
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    Saved by Water

    I am generally of the natural birth belief as I laid out in post #93, but I also don’t discount the possibility of water representing the word or as a metaphor for the spirit.
  3. J

    Saved by Water

    John 3:5 in Greek ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἐξ ὕδατος καὶ πνεύματος, οὐ δύναται εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ. water and wind Two metaphors for the Spirit. It’s like referring to a wall as bricks and mortar.
  4. J

    Saved by Water

    Actually it doesn’t. In Greek these are the words: ὕδατος καὶ πνεύματος water and wind So, you could see this as two metaphors for the Spirit.
  5. J

    Saved by Water

    Please be careful making assertions like this. The word water isn’t in any version of Acts 2:38 that I have ever seen. “Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the...
  6. J

    Saved by Water

    Respectfully, that passage doesn’t say that at all. Yes, on that day, as the passage says, they realize who he is. At that point it was too late.
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    Saved by Water

    Think about what the Greek words actually mean. Does baptizo mean to immerse in water or simply to immerse. Thayer’s lexicon says that baptizo is used with eis to indicate the medium into which immersion occurs. ”In the name“ is epi to onomati. Epi means on not in. Onomati means a name...
  8. J

    Saved by Water

    When we believe in Jesus. This is how I see it. That obviously doesn’t make it correct, but I can use scripture to explain it. “for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.26.28.KJV In...
  9. J

    Saved by Water

    I was too. It may seem moot to us to say you have to be born in the flesh, but that is the context of the passage and Paul was inspired to discuss it at length in 1 Corinthians 15. Think about that for a second if Paul was inspired to write about that very thing, where did that inspiration...
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    Saved by Water

    It clearly is not a moot point. If it was why Paul have been inspired to write such an in depth and long explanation of it in 1 Corinthians 15.
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    Saved by Water

    If you recognize the biblical references to the water of the womb, take another look at the context of Jesus discussion with Nicodemus. “Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?” ‭‭John‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬...
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    Saved by Water

    “Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you...
  13. J

    Why are we christians in the habit of misapplying this text?

    Don’t forget this part. ““If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with...
  14. J

    The perennial Acts 2.38 confusion .

    See how Thayer’s Lexicon translates this passage below. Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 2967: κωλύω κωλύω; imperfect 1 person plural ἐκωλύομεν (Mark 9:38 T Tr text WH); 1 aorist ἐκώλυσα; passive, present κωλύομαι; 1 aorist ἐκωλύθην; (from κόλος, lopped, clipped; properly, to cut off, cut...
  15. J

    The MAIN "Divider" Of denominations!

    Absolutely not calling Jesus a liar. Isn’t 1 John inspired. I just showed you scripture. “Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time...
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    The MAIN "Divider" Of denominations!

    How about this one? Once you believe you have already been born again. “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://www.bible.com/59/1jn.5.1.esv “I write these...
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    The MAIN "Divider" Of denominations!

    P75, Sinaiticus, and Vaticanus all have eis in them. Eis actually means into. μετάνοιαν εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν A change of mind into forgiveness of sins.
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    The MAIN "Divider" Of denominations!

    Your first sentence about the Jews being told to be water baptized is what I was commenting on. The article lays out a reason to doubt that actual water baptisms took place with the 3000 on Pentecost because it would have violated the restrictions on doing any customary work on Pentecost...
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    The MAIN "Divider" Of denominations!

    What do you think about this article? If anyone has any thoughts please share them. https://terminalsalvation.com/2015/07/09/into-what-did-the-3000-get-baptized-on-the-day-of-pentecost/
  20. J

    The MAIN "Divider" Of denominations!

    This is where I first ran across this translation of Acts 2:38. Since then I have cross referenced the meanings of the words and haven’t been able to prove this wrong. Then I found the CJB translation of the Bible which translates Acts 2:38 in essentially the same way. So he isn’t the only...