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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Sealed means protected/marked. It does not mean saved. look at the actual verse you quoted from: Eph 1: 1313 It is the same with you. You heard the true message, the Good News about the way God saves you. When you heard that Good News, you believed in Christ. And in Christ, God put his...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    1. I never asked about being born.. 2. I believe we are saved not of our own efforts but by the decision Christ makes when He judges us.
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    Harvesting of the Earth

    Book chapter and verse of this teaching please. Where specifically? What is a 'one coming theory?' How does rev 14 prove it false?
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    But there is one contextually starting at verse 6. Ah, no.. John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Again, without the stipulations of "true faith" then we only have the meaning of the word faith/belief to go off of. Otherwise we default into a no true scotsman fallacy. Where "true faith" is defined by personal preference. If you define belief/faith as simple acknowledgment that Jesus is...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Where did I ask about being 'born?' I'm asking for bible verses that describe the process you laid out. The assignment I presented was to provide bible verses that directly describe and or support what you have described here: The verses you provided do not fully support all of the different...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I don't think you understand the assignment. I'm asking for BCV that supports the claim that salvation happens when one is born again. Then I would like scripture that tells us the process of being born again, as Church-ie-anity and has assigned 100 different meaning to this and salvation.
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    So we can only read the bible in the original Hebrew and/greek?
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    yes. Regeneration is a process. I think that is what I was trying to describe when saying one does not decide when they are saved but rather sign on as a disciple of Christ. To me a disciple is a student with so much to learn, often times like the 12, through much trial and error. Think at all...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I never said it overturned John 5. I said it proves your interpretation/usage of john 5 is wrong. If you say all that is needed is simple acknowledgement of Jesus then Mat 7 has Jesus demonstrate that there will be many on the day of final judgement that claim they know/acknowledge Jesus who in...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    John 5 does not specify a particular kind of faith, even if it did the mat 7 men who claim to know Jesus as their savior Believed in Jesus in so far as it meets the requirements of John 5.. There is no greater form of faith than to try and "name and claim" your place in salvation by using...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    lol.. So do you think the bible usage and the english translation is different in some way? Everything after this statement is irrelevant. Because taking insult personally is exactly the scenario that we are told to turn the other cheek My argument uses His station for the sole reason that...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Your exegesis of john 5 is invalidated by the revelation of Mat 7's "Lord, Lord" men. This passage only says one must be born again. I am asking for BCV concerning the moment of salvation coinciding with being born again. This passage can also support someone being saved will after being 'born...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    zeal /zēl/ Zeal is a noun that means great energy, enthusiasm, or passion for a person, cause, or goal. [1, 2] AI Overview consumed Consumed is the past tense, past participle, or adjective form of the verb consume, meaning to use up, eat, or destroy completely. [1, 2] Core Meanings &...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    book chapter and verse please.
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    i guess... I do not know what question you are asking
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Well, that's the thing. Scripture tells us Jesus made it personal. John 2 says “Zeal for your house will consume me.” Zeal = passion Consumed by zeal = to be over taken/out of control by your passions. So if one is over taken by His passions then it can be said they are taking it personally...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    So, can it then be said Jesus' cleansing of the temple was not consistent with the directive to turn the other cheek, and is a case of do as I say, not as i do? Is it not ok to have power and authority over us that He does not share with us? I say yes, and have no issue with the temple...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Again Mat 7 shows people who genuinely believe, they have come to Christ, but are informed they have not. So, if one can believe he is a true believer, and not be, then the decision of salvation does not lie with in the individual's ability/earnestness to become saved. But rather rests in...