was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

[OMC]

lol.. So do you think the bible usage and the english translation is different in some way?

Yes—the Bible’s original Hebrew and Greek often carry covenant meanings that English translations flatten, so the wording can differ in depth, not in doctrine.

 

[pinebeach]

We all do not have nor is it reasonable to demand that everyone all start with the same understanding.

I disagree. That is exactly what you appear to have been very busy illustrating in your thread. You have constructed a very careful platform for your own inability to come to terms with 2 very different occurrences. And here we are, 6 pages later, after your hiatus, still trying to determine what answer will satisfy your apparent disatisfaction with almost anything anyone has said.

perhaps you should read up on 1 cor 12: 12-31 Paul explains why we in our faiths may look different, and process why things differently than you do, yet still remain a member of the body of Christ.

11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. 15 Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

I don't think one of the major authors of the NT agrees with you. I think you are working from how to say this? working from your own abilities. No offense intended.

As far as your reference to 'starting' goes, all believers MUST absolutely MUST start with the same understanding. Foundational truths are not meant for discussion. They are absolutes and if a person is not taught them, or if they think they have a better understanding, then we look around and find thousands of 'ways' to believe and why things look differently then Jesus who said plainly enough that HE is the truth.

 

[OMC]

My argument uses His station for the sole reason that this is a do as I say scenario, and by admission so does yours. It would seem the only difference between my position an yours is you do not like the phrase 'do as I say and not as i do."

**You call it “do as I say, not as I do.”​

I call it “He acts as God; I obey as disciple.”**

That’s it.

 

[pinebeach]

Drich you really need to format your posts.

use Ctrl + Shift + V and paste as plain text.

 

[pinebeach]

And this from your post 90

God has not changed. Jesus has not changed and I have not seen one word from you about the Holy Spirit let alone the gifts God has given for

So?

The Holy Spirit is a 'so'? That might be the prob right there as I kind of said in post 122.

 

[Drich]

Yes—the Bible’s original Hebrew and Greek often carry covenant meanings that English translations flatten, so the wording can differ in depth, not in doctrine.

So we can only read the bible in the original Hebrew and/greek?