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We disagree on this... using an archaic form of English is not a good way to ensure accuracy. Not only do you have to have Hebrew/Greek translated into English, but then you have to translate the archaic English into contemporary English. ..... ever play the telephone game?

There's a bible that's also a cannon? First I've heard.... :cool:

Yeah... I like that song quite a bit... I think it's on the Nicene creed... I always liked Third Day... I think because the lead singer sounds almost exactly like Travis Tritt.... :ROFL:

I had never heard of the athanasian creed before, either.... man, that thing is repetitive, isn't it? I was thinking..... "ok, ok.... I grasped the concept the FIRST time...."

amen to that, unfortunately.... :ROFL:

I'm sort of glad I have not tried to follow this thread.... you are stuck in perpetual pseudo-Moses mode.... Everything that people do that does not align with your way of thinking means they are headed for damnation... it would be funny, but... it's not.

If I got one, it would likely say "I am the wretch the song talks about"

I wouldn't..... so I guess.....

You have obviously never been in the south.... :cool: oh... @Lynx beat me to it

every time I go back and read this it makes me LOL... that's why our wives are called our "helpmeet".... they help us see our mistakes... truly...

I agree with that, other than your second statement. I don't identify myself as "a sinner" .... I identify myself as a "saved sinner".... One of the biggest complaints I hear about Christians is "you all think you are perfect"... my response is that nobody is perfect, except Jesus. The...

Yep. THAT is correct.... we sin less and less, as we become more like Jesus. Do we ever attain sinlessness? Nope.

Wrong. You are only seeing what you want to see, instead of reading with understanding. You can quote all the scriptures you want about sin being bad.... we all KNOW that. NOBODY thinks it's ok to sin... but since NONE of us are sinless, or capable of being sinless, we admit we are...

The POINT is, which you so conveniently fail to address, is that you accuse believers that acknowledge that they are sinners as being PROUD that they are sinners. You obviously think that Paul was "proud" of doing things as a human being that his spirit did not want to do... This is Paul...

I know that you think that it improves your argument to continue to falsely accuse folks of being "proud" to be a sinner. But, it simply shows your lack of intellectual honesty. Your argument should stand on its merits, without you attempting at every turn to slander or denigrate your opponent...

I do not go to church to be entertained... I don't go just because "they have a good band".... if I want that, there are plenty of concerts to attend... When the church "worship leaders" are more concerned with entertaining than true praise/worship accompaniment, we have lost the war. I...

oh, bull. There are countless scriptures that remind us that we are still sinners... the difference is that we are covered by the sacrifice of our Savior... Nowhere does it say that we will never sin again... James was talking to believers when he said this... "and the prayer offered in...

I did carpenter work and commercial drywall up into my mid 30's... and realized I didn't want to be doing that when I was in my 40's, so I got out, and got an ASEE degree and started working on electro-mechanical equipment. Been doing that for 40 years now, and can still handle it, physically...

I can no longer watch anything with DeNiro in it. Just can't.

No, we did not tour it.. we noticed it when we went past, but didn't stop to do the tour.