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That only works if our sins are laid upon Him. Otherwise, our sins don't affect Him. And the verse clearly states that the LORD does this.

That's fine, but much of the symbolism in the book of Revelation is found in the book of Daniel. So to understand Revelation, it is imperative to understand Daniel. We are to compare scripture with scripture. I appreciate the discussion and thanks for sharing. Grace and peace.

Metaphors are fine as far as they are useful. But they have to be supported by scripture. Scripture does tell us what the beasts are and history records their coming into being. Scripture also provides time lines for these events occurring. If you continue reading Daniel 7, you will see who...

Mountain can mean many things, as well as the others. The beasts clearly represent kingdoms. Out of the ocean means they are Gentile nations, while out of the earth refers to Israel. All of this avoids the point I am making. You have no biblical basis for some of the claims you are making...

There is no biblical basis for saying the beasts are modern governments. On what basis have you concluded that a pope, or Germany, Russia, or England are in view?

Revelation 12:3 and Daniel 7:3-7.

I already showed you. The dragon has 7 heads and 10 horns. The 4 beasts in Daniel 7 collectively have 7 heads and 10 horns.

The Fed operates on the principle that once inflation gets over a certain point, the only way to deal with it is to raise interest rates, regardless of the source of the inflation. This is shortsighted. The reason higher interest rates helped bring down Biden induced inflation is because...

Nope. The dragon is a composite of all 4 beasts.

I always pray through @Dino246. Don't know how he's always available, but good job @Dino246.

Or...those 4 beasts are in the image of the dragon.

No, I asked for a very specific count of the heads and horns in Daniel 7. There are 7 heads and 10 horns on the 4 beasts. Sound familiar from Revelation? Perhaps these things are related?

Sure, but the books are referring to the same thing.

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In Daniel 7, how many heads and horns do the 4 beasts have?

Seems in your understanding that nuance equates to semantics. What I was referring to wasn't even nuance. It's like you don't believe rational people can read the Bible prayerfully seeking truth and come to an understanding of what God is teaching. I have already told you that presupposition...

I was raised Roman Catholic, so my beliefs certainly weren't born into. And while you are correct that preconceptions and background do play a large part in individual's beliefs, they also play a part in how they consider other's beliefs. For example, under Group 2 you used the phrase "rather...

Appreciate you taking the time to do this.

Perhaps I have offended you; in which case, please accept my apologies.