The Seals storyline in The Book of Revelation
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C,
I am sorry about that. Yes they are related and the Book of Daniel does go hand-in-hand with the revelation. The three in Dan 7 are the three of Rev. 13:2, and the fourth in Dan 7 is the dragon of Rev. 12:3.
The ten horns are the ten kings of Rev. 17:12-13 that join together to burn Babylon in Rev. 17:16. Of those ten, three enter into warfare (Rev. 13:2) and one is victorious which is the beast of Rev. 13:3 presided over by the dragon of Rev. 13:11, which is the Catholic Pope as described in Rev. 13:18. All this information is in Dan 7.
Rev. 12:6
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
To recap:
Rev. 12:1 is the government of the woman upon the earth via the Savior at the head, the Davidic King in governorship, and the 144,000 servants having crowns of authority (Rev. 4:10-11).
Rev. 12:2 is that the 144,000 servants await their Davidic King
Rev. 12:3 is the government of the Dragon upon the earth via the seven heads, that began as ten in governorship (Rev. 17:12-13), and ending with crowns upon seven of the heads as they rule with the dragon of Rev. 13:11-18. Remember that three of the ten (Rev. 13:2) are removed of which Russia, one of those three, evolves into the administration of the Pope to become the dragon. Thus, the beast of Rev. 17:11 is of the seven and presides over them.
Rev. 12:4 is the fall of Babylon where many millions of people fall in death to the earth. The dragon then seeks to destroy the Davidic King.
Rev. 12:5 is that the Davidic King, in a type and shadow relationship with the Savior, ascends to God after his sacrificial payment for his people.
And now Rev. 12:6 where the 144,000 are taken on an exodus. Which by the way, many in today's Christian community think is the rapture. But no, this is an exodus wherein the 144,000 are taken to prepare for their coming work of gathering saints and destroying the wicked who oppose them.
Thus, they are "a thousand two hundred and threescore days" in the wilderness which is the duration of the tribulation whereby the dragon is allowed to ravage the earth as stated in Rev. 13:5 as follows:
"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."
Thus, the 1260 days of Rev. 12:6 is the 42 months of Rev. 13:5. (1260/30=42)
So while the 144,000 are on an exodus the dragon ravages the world. Until the 144,000 come to destroy the dragon as stated in Rev. 19:20-21 which is the winepress of Rev. 14:17-20, and is the subject of the next verse, Rev. 12:7.
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
To recap:
Rev. 12:1 is the government of the woman upon the earth via the Savior at the head, the Davidic King in governorship, and the 144,000 servants having crowns of authority (Rev. 4:10-11).
Rev. 12:2 is that the 144,000 servants await their Davidic King
Rev. 12:3 is the government of the Dragon upon the earth via the seven heads, that began as ten in governorship (Rev. 17:12-13), and ending with crowns upon seven of the heads as they rule with the dragon of Rev. 13:11-18. Remember that three of the ten (Rev. 13:2) are removed of which Russia, one of those three, evolves into the administration of the Pope to become the dragon. Thus, the beast of Rev. 17:11 is of the seven and presides over them.
Rev. 12:4 is the fall of Babylon where many millions of people fall in death to the earth. The dragon then seeks to destroy the Davidic King.
Rev. 12:5 is that the Davidic King, in a type and shadow relationship with the Savior, ascends to God after his sacrificial payment for his people.
And now Rev. 12:6 where the 144,000 are taken on an exodus. Which by the way, many in today's Christian community think is the rapture. But no, this is an exodus wherein the 144,000 are taken to prepare for their coming work of gathering saints and destroying the wicked who oppose them.
Thus, they are "a thousand two hundred and threescore days" in the wilderness which is the duration of the tribulation whereby the dragon is allowed to ravage the earth as stated in Rev. 13:5 as follows:
"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."
Thus, the 1260 days of Rev. 12:6 is the 42 months of Rev. 13:5. (1260/30=42)
So while the 144,000 are on an exodus the dragon ravages the world. Until the 144,000 come to destroy the dragon as stated in Rev. 19:20-21 which is the winepress of Rev. 14:17-20, and is the subject of the next verse, Rev. 12:7.
The three of Dan. 7:4-6 are the three of Rev. 13:2. And the fourth in Dan. 7:7 is the dragon of Rev. 12:3 that is called the mouth of the beast in Rev. 13:4-8
a) 4And they worshipped the dragon (this is the false prophet of Rev. 13:11 that is Pope Leo)
which gave power unto the beast (he gave power to the beast in Rev. 13:2):
and they worshipped the beast (as directed in Rev. 13:12-17)
saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
b) 5And there was given unto him a mouth (this mouth is the false prophet of Rev. 13:11 that is Pope Leo)
speaking great things and blasphemies (Blasphemy is the name of the false prophet Pope Leo and is referenced in Rev. 13:1);
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
c) 6And he opened his mouth (Pope Leo)
in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
b) 7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
a) 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The above chiasmus in Rev. 13:4-8 is about the fourth beast of Dan. 7:7.
Rev. 12:7
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"
Chapter Twelve is in chronological order: v. 1) the 144,000 are upon the earth, v. 2) the 144,000 await their Davidic King, v. 3) the dragon is upon the earth, v. 4) the Dragon causes the fall of Babylon and attacks the saints of God, v. 5) the Davidic King pays his sacrifice and is taken to the throne of God, v. 6) the exodus of the 144,000.
And next comes the warfare in Rev. 12:7 wherein Michael and his angels are a type of John and his 144,000. Notice the structure of Rev. 12:7 being similar to Rev. 19:19 as follows:
v. 12:7"And there was war in heaven:
a) Michael
b) and his angels
c) fought against the dragon;
d) and the dragon fought
e) and his angels,"
v. 19:19"And I saw
a) the beast,
b) and the kings of the earth,
c) and their armies, gathered together to make war
d) against him that sat on the horse,
e) and against his army."
These are amazing verses playing a symphony together.
a) Michael (John) vs. the beast
b) and John's angels that are the kings of the earth, the 144,000
c) fought against the dragon, their armies gathered together
d) and the dragon fought against him that sat on the horse (Rev. 19:11)
e) and the angels of the dragon fought against the army of God (the 144,000)
How beautiful is that?
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"
Chapter Twelve is in chronological order: v. 1) the 144,000 are upon the earth, v. 2) the 144,000 await their Davidic King, v. 3) the dragon is upon the earth, v. 4) the Dragon causes the fall of Babylon and attacks the saints of God, v. 5) the Davidic King pays his sacrifice and is taken to the throne of God, v. 6) the exodus of the 144,000.
And next comes the warfare in Rev. 12:7 wherein Michael and his angels are a type of John and his 144,000. Notice the structure of Rev. 12:7 being similar to Rev. 19:19 as follows:
v. 12:7"And there was war in heaven:
a) Michael
b) and his angels
c) fought against the dragon;
d) and the dragon fought
e) and his angels,"
v. 19:19"And I saw
a) the beast,
b) and the kings of the earth,
c) and their armies, gathered together to make war
d) against him that sat on the horse,
e) and against his army."
These are amazing verses playing a symphony together.
a) Michael (John) vs. the beast
b) and John's angels that are the kings of the earth, the 144,000
c) fought against the dragon, their armies gathered together
d) and the dragon fought against him that sat on the horse (Rev. 19:11)
e) and the angels of the dragon fought against the army of God (the 144,000)
How beautiful is that?
Rev. 12:8
"And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
Verse 12:8 continues from the previous verse that the war in Rev. 19:19-21 is decisive in favor of the 144,000. And true to the type, there was no more place found for the dragon in heaven as the type, and on the earth as the shadow of the type. And this ends the 3.5 year tribulation wherein the dragon of Chapter Thirteen attacked the saints of God (Rev. 13:5-7) and is destroyed in the winepress (Rev. 14:17-20). Bad news for Pope Leo and his lackey.
"And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
Verse 12:8 continues from the previous verse that the war in Rev. 19:19-21 is decisive in favor of the 144,000. And true to the type, there was no more place found for the dragon in heaven as the type, and on the earth as the shadow of the type. And this ends the 3.5 year tribulation wherein the dragon of Chapter Thirteen attacked the saints of God (Rev. 13:5-7) and is destroyed in the winepress (Rev. 14:17-20). Bad news for Pope Leo and his lackey.
Rev. 12:3 shows the dragon with his government of seven heads and ten horns of which seven of the ten have crowns. Meaning that three of the ten have fallen as shown in Rev. 13:2.
12:3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads
and ten horns,
and seven crowns upon his heads. (meaning that three of the horns have fallen.) (heads and horns are metaphors meaning leaders and their governments)
13:2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Germany and her govenment),
and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Russia and her govenment),
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Great Britain and her government)
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
These three governments fall and Pope Leo picks up the pieces using Russia as his army.
Daniel seven shows these three with the fourth as Russia under the control of Leo. And that is how Leo gets the military power to rule the earth. Leo gets their army. One thing about Putin is that he should have won the war in Ukraine already. But when the governments of Great Britain and Germany fight Russia, they all loose. And Leo is in place to pick up the pieces. And he does so with a vengence.
Rev. 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Following the defeat of the beast and his false prophet as shown in the previous verse, now comes their subsequent sojourn to hell as stated in Rev. 19:20.
And keep in mind that Rev. 12:9 is the type for the Rev. 19:20-21 shadow. That like Lucifer and his followers being cast into the earth; the beast, false prophet, and their followers are also cast into hell that is in the earth.
This ends the Rev. 12:7-9 type. Interestingly however, Rev. 12:7-8 is parallel to Rev. 6:7-8, leaving Rev. 12:9 as part of the Rev. 12:9-11 set parallel to Rev. 6:9-11. That is, the Rev. 12:7-9 type does not also become a parallel. Again, the type and the parallels are two different things as follows:
vv. 6:7-8 is parallel to vv. 12:7-8 having two verses in the vv. 12:7-9 type.
vv. 6:9-11 is parallel to vv. 12:9-11 having one verse in the vv. 12:7-9 type.
Like that.
Just because verses are part of a type does not mean that they remain together in the parallels. Just a small detail when reading the revelation.
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Following the defeat of the beast and his false prophet as shown in the previous verse, now comes their subsequent sojourn to hell as stated in Rev. 19:20.
And keep in mind that Rev. 12:9 is the type for the Rev. 19:20-21 shadow. That like Lucifer and his followers being cast into the earth; the beast, false prophet, and their followers are also cast into hell that is in the earth.
This ends the Rev. 12:7-9 type. Interestingly however, Rev. 12:7-8 is parallel to Rev. 6:7-8, leaving Rev. 12:9 as part of the Rev. 12:9-11 set parallel to Rev. 6:9-11. That is, the Rev. 12:7-9 type does not also become a parallel. Again, the type and the parallels are two different things as follows:
vv. 6:7-8 is parallel to vv. 12:7-8 having two verses in the vv. 12:7-9 type.
vv. 6:9-11 is parallel to vv. 12:9-11 having one verse in the vv. 12:7-9 type.
Like that.
Just because verses are part of a type does not mean that they remain together in the parallels. Just a small detail when reading the revelation.
I suspected when you asked me to count the horns in Dan 7 that something else was amiss. So let's start with the metaphors:
mountain means nation
hill means small nation
river means army
and beasts mean governments
Rev. 13:1, the beast coming from the sea is a government representing a population called the sea
Rev. 13:11, the beast coming from the earth is a government representing a population called the earth
These two populations are referenced throughout the revelation. Ex. 10:1-2
Mountain can mean many things, as well as the others. The beasts clearly represent kingdoms. Out of the ocean means they are Gentile nations, while out of the earth refers to Israel.
All of this avoids the point I am making. You have no biblical basis for some of the claims you are making. What is your biblical undergirding for the pope, Germany, Russia, and England being referred to in the book of Revelation?
I have established the metaphors as the foundation for explaining these things to you and you have rejected the metaphors. Sorry, but I choose not to play your game.
Metaphors are fine as far as they are useful. But they have to be supported by scripture. Scripture does tell us what the beasts are and history records their coming into being. Scripture also provides time lines for these events occurring.
If you continue reading Daniel 7, you will see who the stone is...the Son of Man...who crushes these kingdoms and sets up an eternal kingdom. The last of these kingdoms is Rome. This dates events in the 1st century.
Again, can you establish from scripture a reference to the pope, Germany, Russia, and England?