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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    What a bizarre argument. Unbelieving Jewish people still exist. If you read Romans 11, blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. So if this your argument, why would you believe speaking in tongues would cease before Gentiles stopped being converted...
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    Does 'That Which is Perfect' Refer to Scripture?

    The idea that 'that which is perfect' in I Corinthians 13 refers to the Bible does not fit the passage or the book. I Corinthians 13 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    They could also be unknown languages (not referring to the italicized KJV word, btw) in I Corinthians 14. Paul gave teaching on the need for interpretation because others present may not understanding speaking in tongues. Paul mentions tongues of men and of angels. The emphasis on the early...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I've heard/read some bizarre overstatements of this, and analysis of this, most recently about John MacArthur's assertions. The Greek middle is frequently used for certain verbs. It is best not to try to exaggerate the theological significance of the mediopassive for some of these verbs.
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I don't have a verse that proves it, but "breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart" I'll just leave it at that. Speaking in tongues edifies the speaker, and with interpretation edifies the assembly. The manifestations of the Spirit are for...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    There were some references to it afterward. Prophecy was practiced in 2nd century church meetings. It probably got liturgy'ed out as churches moved toward liturgical practices and away from obeying the 'commandments of the Lord' in scripture regarding church meetings, which also address...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    In the first century when Acts 2 was recorded, they didn't have McDonald's hamburgers. They didn't have a large interational structure for the Christian church. But speaking in tongues is not meant to be replaced by McDonald's hamburgers, a large international church structure... or the Bible...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    In the first century when Acts 2 was recorded, they didn't have McDonald's hamburgers. They didn't have a large interational structure for the Christian church. But speaking in tongues is not meant to be replaced by McDonald's hamburgers, a large international church structure... or the Bible...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    You mentioned the perfect, and I was referring to the passage: I Corinthians 13 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    That comes off as snobby and ethnocentric. Why is where you live supposed to be the center of the universe. I haven't quite made it to Timor, but I've known a lot of people from there. Why is their location any less important or less real than wherever you live? If miracles happen from...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    The Bible does not support your assumptions. If you look at I Corinthians 13, Paul compares his speech, knowledge, and understanding, when he was a mature Christian, planting churches, writing scripture. So are you saying that now, you are so mature compared to Paul, that your speech...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I can say that probably in _most_ Pentecostal churches I have attended, I haven't heard the pastor claim the ability to perform miracles. Generally, Pentecostal pastors believe God works miracles and that he can do them through people. Also, the idea that first century apostles performed...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Spiritual gifts or the US Civil War....
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    This is kind of a fuzzy argument. Apostles and prophets are in the foundation of the church. But the New Testament teaches that in the assembly, all may prophecy, to let the prophets speak, two or three, etc. Also, the laying of foundations in Paul's ministry was an ongoing thing. He...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    When I was in middle school, I went to a Pentecostal church and a school affiliated with it. We'd get there a little early before the school doors were unlocked and students would wait by their parents cars or gather and talk. There was a girl a year older that man. He'd had severely crossed...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I think he was talking about Seymour praying five hours a day before the revival and how every long during it. What I gather is that they had a pulpit made out of boxes, and he was there bowing down praying much of the time. Meeting could run for 24 hours.
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Let me ask you what your argument is. The approach to scripture of Pentecostals and Charismatics is: 1. Scripture shows that God empowered people to do miracles and operate in spiritual gifts. 2. The New Testament teaches that spiritual gifts are given to individuals in the church. 3. We...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    In science, or even social science 'research', let's be careful about using the word 'proven'. That's not how it works, and that type of language is unscientific given the parameters of the research. These linguists did not test all speaking in tongues or, to my knowledge, any samples which...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Koch was against the Pentecostal movement but concluded that there were real miracles. In the early 2000's, I had a conversation with a Bible college or seminary student who had written his thesis on the topic of the miracles on Timor. He was from Timor and he had interviewed older people who...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Where does scripture say that the gift of healing is past? Prophesying is mentioned in Revelation, also. Where does scripture designate certain gifts as 'sign gifts'?