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Yeah, that's what I believe: it was melted down by someone. It was only a copy of what is in heaven. At some point it lost the presence of God and God's attention.

Ha! I just realized you're not even the poster I replied to: @Journey_man I'm not sure how you came into the discussion. However, perhaps you can show me where this is stated in scripture: "because Esau had inherited Adam's hatred of God". This is something Journey_man wrote. Where does it...

The legal basis for a "covenant of grace" was the fact that "the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world." God didn't just "decide" to be gracious: the penalty for Adam's sin had been paid for in eternity so the covenant of grace could appear in the earth when God decided it could appear...

Yeah. Pulling unrelated scripture to prove your point is not working for you. Maybe it’s the Presbyterians? Some of them do that. If you ask, I’ll show you how to find the truth.

"..Adam, the son of God." Maybe it's Baptist influence that causes people to throw Adam out with the bathwater. :unsure:

One time, a drunk guy helped me change a tire. The tire fit perfectly and my car ran as designed.

Ah, I see. Some people like to preserve the priest/laity dynamic adopted by the Roman church from Jewish antiquity and polytheism. I am staunchly against that dichotomy. If you are saying few members of the Body have someone watching over their souls in the role of a spiritual father I...

The "ministering" word is diakonia in the Greek. Here is the same word in several places: "But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me." Here Martha is doing the...

If you are saying that those with the doma gifts listed above (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, and teacher) are given to the saints for their edification and maturity I completely agree. However, this is the full verse: "And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some...

You have a Sunday School level understanding of the story. You should ask more questions. And you're making assumptions that are not scriptural. Assuming you believe God holds the keys to the life and death of a man, why would God keep Adam around after he sinned? Why not just end him and...

For those still serious about this topic: Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. 15When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the...

You've only had 34 minutes to remediate your Biblical understanding about the nature of God. That's not nearly enough time. I conclude that you're not serious about the topic at hand nor about any other Biblical topic.

Oof. Dude. You need to go back to Biblical basics. If God was okay with "do as I say not as I do" then we would have no Savior and no Father in Heaven. We could not have been made in His image and likeness. God is not like the volatile Greek and Roman gods given to fits of abuse and morose...

Oh I see: You're making some assumptions that are not in the text. It's a bad habit. The money changers were exploiting the people to whom Jesus was sent, and using the urgency of godly worship to do so. Given this scripture: "A bruised reed shall He not break, and the smoking flax shall He...

For the same reason Jesus cleared the temple. The issue is not about not forgiving or forgiving, it's about the responsibilities of someone with authority. Imagine if one of your employees stole (#2) from another employee (#1). And you got to the employee who lost something and said "I made it...

See how easy it is to get Liberals and Conservatives on the same page.

Non sequitur.

If, by "pacifism" you mean "permitting evil" then I agree.