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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Yes, I believe we have to live righteously in order to receive eternal life. So in a sense it is faith+works=salvation, but it is truly salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. It's trust in who he is, what he did, and what he said. The work of following his teachings is the natural response to...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Well, that's the thing. Jesus predicates salvation on living a certain way in his sermon on the mount (I tried to show you this but you rejected it and interjected John 6:40 into his words in Matthew 7:21 saying this is what he meant by doing the will of the Father, when he specifically means...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Ah, yeah. Unless I'm mistaken, we take believing in Jesus to mean two different things. When I see John 6:40 for instance I agree with it, but I don't take it to mean that we are to believe the gospel for example and that's the end of it, but we are to believe in the full revelation of Jesus...
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    Does Grace replace the law?

    I think though it is necessary to follow Jesus' teachings if we are to have eternal life. I agree with OP that it doesn't seem to be Jesus' teaching that eternal life is as simple as "believing in him" given what it says in Matthew 7. I take believing in Jesus as believing in his full revelation...
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    Does Grace replace the law?

    I think we can take from Paul's example that it is no longer necessary to follow the law, since he did not always follow it when spending time with people. He writes in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 that he changed his behavior depending on who he was spending time with, in order that he might win some...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Hey, thanks for responding to my posts. Sorry if I came off as rude at all. I just believe Jesus' words in Matthew 7:21-24 and therefore see it as a requirement to follow his teachings in the sermon on the mount for salvation. He is clear to me that he is saying only those who follow his...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    It's important to remember though that James writes we are justified by works too, not just faith. The works perfect the faith we have. In the case of Jesus he has taught us certain things, if we are to believe him we should follow through on his teachings. In this way our faith is perfected...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    I agree that we can't justify ourselves by our works; we can't save someone from a burning building and think we will go to heaven. Salvation comes through faith in Jesus which leads to doing the words of Jesus because we believe he told the truth. In that sense though we are justified by our...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    What exactly do you mean by this? Do you mean trusting in Jesus' sacrifice alone for salvation? Because if we do that then we are ignoring what Jesus said about how we should live. In Romans 4 Paul is explaining that salvation is not only to workers of the law: that's the context of works in...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Yep, we are drawn by the Father and we respond to that drawing by faith in Jesus. I think we may receive the Holy Spirit when we believe in Jesus, but it's not clear to me because some people told Paul they had not received the Holy Spirit and then it happens after Paul baptizes them. We are...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Well, I think it's belief in Jesus that leads to both things, eternal life and obedience. Furthermore, we're given the Spirit upon belief in Jesus and we are regenerated.
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    You make a lot of reasonable points, I just think it's important to understand that Jesus puts the onus on us to do the will of the Father in Matthew 7:21 or we won't enter into the kingdom of heaven. Belief in Jesus saves, but this belief must also include a willingness to follow through on his...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    I'm just treating the verse for what it says, it says to pursue holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. The obvious meaning is that if you don't live in a holy fashion you will not be saved. The NASB translation is bizarre. How do you pursue the sanctification without which no one...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    These verses seem to speak against your point: 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 Lest there be...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    It seems that Jesus' sayings are the will of the Father to be saved as he is predicating entrance into the kingdom of heaven on doing them. This is expressed in his words (Matthew 7:21-24). If you read carefully, John 6:40 is not the Father's will for us, it is saying it is the Father's own...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Well, like I said, I believe Jesus' sacrifice covers those who believe in him, which is what the Bible teaches. This means believing he is Lord and that he has the station to give us commands and teachings that we must follow. Our salvation is imperative on us actually following through on what...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Yes... salvation is a free gift and cannot be earned... these are commonly touted words. Jesus speaks explicitly that only those who do the will of the Father though will enter into the kingdom of heaven. Paul is also explicit that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Hebrews...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    The will of the Father includes things such as are expressed in Jesus' sayings in the sermon on the mount. Was Jesus sacrificing Himself the primary mission Jesus fulfilled? I think it would be pretty hard to say Jesus' primary mission was his sacrifice, as his preaching is also of great...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    What does it mean to believe? Jesus said only those who do the will of the Father will enter into the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21). If I believe in Jesus then I believe he said those words, and therefore I should listen to him. If I were to say I believe in Jesus, in certain circumstances I...
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    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    So you're saying Jesus instructing people to do the will of the Father was a message only for Jews under the law? I don't think I agree with this, my previous post might be able to help shed light on why.