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Yes, and i wouldn't say that either. OSAS doesn't mean that. The Holy Spirit will discipline a wayward believer.

Well, that makes salvation a hire purchase agreement with no assurance of salvation. Where is Jesus's forgiveness of the stain of sin? Ineffectual?

Well there is a difference between those who have no fruit, and show a false pofession of faith, and those who are born again, but fall into waywardness. The wayward believer still has eternal life. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 KJV According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise...

Yes, this is about the walk a believer has following being justified. Following the light or darkness. A believer would be spurred on by Jesus through the Holy Spirit to remain in the light.

Justification is imputed righteousness given by God to the sinner who believes on Jesus Christ. John 3:16, 5:24, 6:40, 8:40, 10:28 Romans 5:8, etc

2 Timothy 2:11-14 KJV It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: [12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: [13] If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. [14] Of these things put them in...

It is possible for that to happen, to become unbelieving and still have salvation, but that is a wretched existence of consistent reproof from the Holy Spirit. They will incur discipline and correction from Him. They may even have their lives taken by God to stop their sin affecting others...

He isnt saying that. He is saying if we fail, Jesus's commitment to us remains. That's not someone who never follows Jesus.

Well, we are in fallen bodies. So, when indwelled with the Holy Spirit, we have fallen nature vs seeking after the Holy Spirit who dwells in the believer's spirit. The stain of sin is forgiven, a saved person is indwelled, a place in heaven is given freely. But that person is still human...

This thread is about addressing the accusation given to OSAS believers, that we are 'preaching a license to sin' or saying you can be saved and 'live like the devil' The things is, a saved person will have the Holy Spirit indwelling their soul/spirit. So He will discipline, rebuke and correct...

I don't agree with reformed theology, but there are different takes within it, so the stance on eternal salvation is very similar between my old and new church.

I don't follow reformed theology. Romans 6 talks about having grace and then why sin because of the grace given? Then it goes on to talk about the battle between flesh and the Spirit. Believers should go on to faithfulness in their walk, but the battle remains.

Well no one is sinless after being converted, but the Holy Spirit will spur His sons and daughters on, so usually you won't see someone who believed continue in persistent sinning.

Back to the beginning... the point of eternal salvation. That is believing on Jesus Christ. Admitting you are a sinner, headed for hell. Believing Jesus is God, that He can give you eternal life, forgive your sin. Then asking for salvation.

Well, my previous church is kjv only and has no small groups during the week. My wife struggles to read the kjv because she is learning English and some of the words are hard for her. I want to go to a church with small groups to have fellowship during the week. The struggle i've had that is...

I've being getting resolution over finding a different church home. The differences between the old and new church have begun to reconcile in mind from regular prayer.

The hot one in a thread at the moment is 'be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect ' The context around this is God's perfect justice in dealing with man. Believers are admonished in this passage to be perfect in justice toward others. It's not about sinlessness. 'Perfect' as in a...

Its true, the standard is true sinless perfection referring to Jesus.. but what is the context around believers in this passage of being perfect? Matthew 5:45-48 KJV That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and...

Have a look at the 'perfect tense' in grammar. Its not referring to being without blemish, but something that has been completed, mature. That's what scripture is referring to, going onto maturity and completeness in the faith.

Its not about good works. It's the fact that everyone is not perfect, but Jesus is perfect and His payment for sin is all sufficient. A believer seeks after following Jesus, because the believers stain of sin has been removed by Jesus. Not to attain righteousness or become sinless. That is...