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Then in that case I agree, they went to the grave (hell) But as far as the place of torment? That is not given to us in scripture.

Those passages apply to genuine heresy and the corruption of the gospel, not simply to everyone with whom we strongly disagree. Before you can invoke Hymenaeus, Philetus, Galatians 1, Titus 3, or Romans 16 against me, you must first demonstrate from Scripture that I am preaching another gospel...

I wouldn't hold my breath sister, How are you today?

"The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient" (2 Tim. 2:24), and "Let your speech be alway with grace" (Col. 4:6). Simply declaring yourself to be standing in the light does not prove that you are; the Pharisees claimed the same thing (John 9:40-41).

Matthew 7:13-14

You just proved his point and that of the verse. WOW. lol

Exactly so maybe you should repent.

You haven't cleaned anything but when the pit opens I'm sure you will find work.

At least you admit it.

You both say you are lambs but speak like dragons! Shall I show the proof of your fruit? Please say yes, because I have been holding on to all this for far to long.

You should know dragon.

Where does Scripture say the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are only fulfilled after Christ returns? The New Testament presents Christ as the promised Seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16) and the promised Son of David already reigning at God's right hand (Acts 2:30-36). At the same time, Romans 11...

Yeah, that's what it says, but it does not say they went to hell for it. You can assume all you wish but i wont assume anything unless the text specifically says it.

The difference is that when our understandings conflict, we need a standard outside of both of us by which to test them. For me, that standard is Scripture. If my interpretation disagrees with Scripture, my interpretation must be corrected. If your interpretation disagrees with Scripture...

The text says exactly that, and I have never denied it. What I do not see in Jeremiah 31 is the distinction you are making between "covenant possessor" and "covenant participant."

I don't think your passages about "this age" and "the age to come" resolve the question the way you think they do. They certainly establish that Scripture speaks of a present age and a coming age (Matt. 12:32; Eph. 1:21; Gal. 1:4; Tit. 2:12), and I have no disagreement there. But none of those...

You really need to let him talk for himself.

I don't believe that follows from what I said. There is a significant difference between saying "the text does not state they were condemned to hell" and saying "people can live in sin and still inherit eternal life." I have said neither the first proves salvation nor the second proves...

My concern has simply been that when Paul later identifies the Seed as Christ (Gal. 3:16) and says those who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise (Gal. 3:29), we have to account for those statements as well. So if I seem to "play up" how believers fit into the...

Brother, I agree that truth exists outside of Scripture. The existence of Caesarea Philippi, the Temple, Roman customs, geography, languages, and history are all examples of legitimate knowledge that help us understand the biblical text more fully. My position is not that Scripture is the only...