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You seem to be avoiding the question. What is God's involvement prior to the attacks? Besides setting limits for satan, how do you describe God's actions precipitating Job's ordeal, specifically in his dialogue with satan? If your view is that satan already had access to Job because of the Fall...

Totally agree — and it was that hedge that prevented satan from attacking Job. OK, me too. So you have said what it’s not, but can you describe what God’s involvement is ? What is your explanation for these verses? Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy...

What about before the each attack occurred? How do you describe God's involvement then?

OK so it is immaterial to our dialogue here. So what is your explanation regarding God's involvement on how the attacks on Job came about?

Nobody is arguing these things. Would satan have been able to attack Job had God not removed the barrier and allowed the attacks?

Thank you. By now you probably know we agree on so much about the Book of Job. I believe our basic interpretation as a whole is the same. Anyway, the reason I asked is because while studying this story, Job 42:11 struck me very hard one day. It became for me one of those pillars for my...

I guess we could speculate, sure. I am not familiar with any passage where God did not give up on rebellious angels. Can you help show me where I can find that idea? One thing that I immediately think of is when Jesus says He saw satan fall like lightning from heaven. Sounds like a very swift...

Not related to this post of yours, I was wondering if you could talk more about your view of Job 42:11. Job 42:11 Then all his brothers, and all his sisters, and all who had known him before, came to him, and they ate bread with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all...

It is true that God does not explain to Job the two encounters with satan that initiated Job’s ordeal. Job does not have that knowledge, nor is he provided it when God appears to him. This we know. What else do we know? 1. God only refers to Job to others by calling him “My servant”. Every...

Thank you for laying all of this out here and helping support my point. I understand that Elihu is some people's precious, but unfortunately, I believe you have been deceived by him, by his motives, and by his role in the story. Elihu is the foil. I see the similarities in the words of Elihu...

Haha...have you ever noticed the great irony in your love of Elihu? You unrighteously tear Job down, all the while fawning over and praising the false prophet Elihu, an accuser of the brethren. Nowhere, nowhere is there any explicit affirmation of Elihu in this book. Nowhere. And yet, we have...

Oh? So how do you explain your statement Elihu spoke for six "chapters"? Your words.

To say Job was "without knowledge" is a gross overstatement. That he was without a full knowledge regarding his suffering in this story is obviously true. That he spoke without having this knowledge about his ordeal is also true. But to make a blanket statement that Job is "without knowledge"...

This is a lie. You are propagating lies with many of your claims. Not sure if you intend to do it, but many of your claims pervert Scripture and contradict what is written. Have you ever considered you might be wrong, not just on your interpretation, but on the basic facts of the story?

You have no evidence Eliphaz was Job's "best" friend. This is just conjecture. It's likely Eliphaz was the oldest of the 3 friends. He also had to travel a distance to visit Job, so he was not a part of Job's day-to-day life. He heard about Job's ordeal, whereas Job's wife witnessed it first...

You never addressed the verses where Job exudes humility in his statements. They prove your accusation against Job to be incorrect. Repeating your talking points and ignoring the counter argument does not in any way validate your claims. It actually weakens them because it appears again to be...

Job 13:23 How many are mine iniquities and sins? make me to know my transgression and my sin. This is not the posture of a proud person in the midst of suffering. Job is seeking God in earnest in an effort to have his relationship with God restored. Job’s posture in this vein is further...

Hahaha….this is not an answer to the question at all. Why would a proud person, full of self-righteousness and pride (in this case Job, according to you) eagerly ask and actively seek to be shown their sin? Can you explain why such a person would ask for their failings to be revealed to them...

OK So...........what then is your explanation for Job 13:23? Job 13:23 (Job to God)) How many are my iniquities and my sins? Make me know my transgression and my sin. How do you explain why a proud person, full of self-righteousness and pride, would actively seek and eagerly ask to be shown...

So I can understand what you mean exactly, I asked for clarification. Is that ok with you? When Job prays to God in the midst of his suffering and asks God to reveal to him his sin, are you saying that Job is saying something stupid? Job 13:23 (Job to God)) How many are my iniquities and my...