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    A husband of one wife...

    Clergy is to have one wife, yes that is my point, but you are trying to say clergy is to only have one wife. Paul was called not to have one wife, and if you guys want, I can reveal who was called in the scriptures to be a polygynist, but it will be a red pill moment you will never be able to...
  2. J

    A husband of one wife...

    I can appreciate where you are coming from, but you are putting the cart before the horse. "An Overseer must be...the husband of one wife..." My argument is not that polygyny can or should be practiced and I have said that most men should not practice it. My argument is that this section of...
  3. J

    A husband of one wife...

    @everyone I have an odd way of processing information, and I do appreciate everyone’s time and thoughts on the subject. I have kind of bit down and locked my jaw on this, and I do believe that the vast majority of believers read these texts and glaze over them taking their meaning for granted...
  4. J

    A husband of one wife...

    I appreciate you loving rebuke, but whether I say “I” or the “text” doesn’t change whether my argument is valid or not.
  5. J

    A husband of one wife...

    18 I warn everyone who hears the words ofthe prophecy of this book: pif anyone adds tothem, God will add to him the plaguesdescribed in this book, 19 and if anyone takesaway from the words of the book of thisprophecy, God will take away his share inqthe tree of life and in rthe holy city...
  6. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Where does it say “per” in the text?
  7. J

    A husband of one wife...

    I am saying that whether Paul believed that there are exceptions or not he has communicated a mandate for an officer to be married, and if that is not binding, none of it is binding, but to apply this criteria we should approach as a ballpark figure with liberal (generous) exegesis
  8. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Where does it say that a deacon should be debt free, I can only see “manages his household well”
  9. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Yes you are right in one regard it is not a binding criteria, for reasons you have pointed out, therefore we should be approaching these section with liberal exegesis and not prohibit woman and polygamists from office. This has been my point throughout this discussion.
  10. J

    A husband of one wife...

    To be serious for a minute. I am not on here to start a debate, And flesh my cerebral muscles, Just to stroke my own ego. I sincerely would like to hear everyone’s points of view. It is 3am here can currently, But I would like to hear yours and everyone’s take on the subject
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    A husband of one wife...

    At this point then, I consider the requirement of burden of proof to be on you, not me. I have said and I say again, “an overseer must be… the husband of one wife…” Can you refute this? What about the Ephesians mystery cults refutes my assertion?
  12. J

    A husband of one wife...

    SWORDS
  13. J

    A husband of one wife...

    So, what is your evidence from the "cultural context" that refutes my assertion? Because all you have said is there is a "cultural context" Please give me some citations. You could say that it says "a husband of [only] one wife." And I will say what is the cultural context by which you make...
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    A husband of one wife...

    Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. 1 timothy 3:12 [Make] deacons each be the husband of one wife, [make them] manage their children and their own households well. “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; Luke 12:35 "[make]...
  15. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Sorry 2 peter 1:21, I am not infallible
  16. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Well, I am not the one taking my ball and going home. I made an assertion, "An overseer must be...the husband of one wife..." You have asked me what is the cultural context? I honestly am not sure what you mean. But if it is what I think you mean. I am not sure if it is even relevant. Because of...
  17. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Matthew 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery. So, if sexual immorality is the only grounds for divorce, what about abuse?
  18. J

    A husband of one wife...

    Don't be a sore loser, I am asking you where the authority and meaning of scripture comes from? If something is said in scripture, and it is, meaning is change from outside of scripture, Why use scripture at all?
  19. J

    Biblical Polygamy?

    Polygamy, polygyny, polyandry, polyamory, I often use polygamy meaning polygyny, but it is an umbrella term that could mean all of them so I will try to say polygyny to be precise. I think we can agree that only polygyny was practiced in biblical times among God's people. The common belief is...