Proof God Heals Cancer

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Blood-Bought

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I just have something to add to this, you can take this for what it's worth and believe it or not... but I once witnessed a guy being prayed for because one of his legs was shorter than the other and he walked with a bit of a hitch in his walk because of it. We prayed for him, and I kid you not his leg literally grew to match the length of his other leg and I witnessed this happening. There were several other witnesses to this as well. I don't see how I couldn't believe God heals after seeing that.
 
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JesinFL

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First - I haven't read everything everyone has said.

What I know - Believing is the top priority regardless of the technique you choose to receive your healing in. I believe in herbs healing, people don't believe in that. Swizzle believes in faith healing. Some believe in Western medicine healing. Some believe crystals heal. Some believe acupuncture heals. There are a million beliefs regarding healing.

The fact in all of them is belief. Accepting the healing and KNOWING it will work.

Doubt doesn't heal.

BTW - I don't believe in herbs in place of faith healing. I believe that God put herbs on earth for us to heal.
 
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Graybeard

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I don't appreciate your tone in your statement here. You seem to be implying that I don't have the stomach to actually read this sermon you've posted. That's preposterous. I'm being skeptical about this healing stuff because I have yet to see an instance where it was a definite miracle healing. There are skeptics ready and willing to record a miraculous event, but no one has ever produced an account of something that is proof of divine intervention. The examples in this sermon are definitely some unusual occurrences, but when it comes down to it, we just don't know how reliable these peoples' testimonies are, and we don't know if they were as gravely ill as they claim to be (even if they were being completely honest about how ill they thought they were). And even if they were in situations as truly dire as these were, their healing isn't necessarily the result of a miracle because sometimes people just get well for completely inexplicable reasons, with or without having been the recipient of a prayer or an anointing. If these healings were legit, then someone needs to present proof.

The James Randi Educational Foundation has a standing offer of $1,000,000 to anyone who can demonstrate, under controlled circumstances (i.e. no cheating), supernatural or paranormal powers. If this all works as you say it does, then bring one of these sick people to their center, do what you do to get their healing, and have medical doctors examine them throughout that time to prove that it was God that healed them and not some other factor. Show some real, hard evidence that these healings could not have been the result of any natural forces at all. God very well may have healed these people, but what about all the other people who go on without healing? How are they supposed to be encouraged by another's healing when they still have to suffer? Have they been forgotten by God? Surely not. They're just dealing with what we all have to deal with here on earth. Jesus and the apostles did miracles during their time to demonstrate God's power, so that people would believe. I'm not saying that the same can't happen now, but I've never seen a case where someone's healing could not have been the result of natural causes. And more often, I see people who just get sicker and die. That's just life, and we need to face that reality, not be led astray into wish-thinking or errant pattern seeking.
Sorry, no malice was intended. Jesus never tried to prove anything, in fact sometimes after He had healed a person He told them to tell no one! I am sure you know that faith has a lot to do with healing as even Jesus Himself could not do miracles if there was no faith. The link I gave you that man did many miracles in the Name of God, if you read more of his sermons you will find how many where instantly healed, I think it was about 27 people all in all that where raised from the dead during his ministry, Proof?..well if you really and truly are searching for proof then research miracles claimed by people and I am sure you will find it.
Yes I am also skeptical by some who claim to have been healed but believe fully that there are miracles/healings done but for me I do not need proof, I mean for what? to satisfy myself that God can do these things?
I believe what The Word says and that is what matters, to me anyway.
 
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First - I haven't read everything everyone has said.

What I know - Believing is the top priority regardless of the technique you choose to receive your healing in. I believe in herbs healing, people don't believe in that. Swizzle believes in faith healing. Some believe in Western medicine healing. Some believe crystals heal. Some believe acupuncture heals. There are a million beliefs regarding healing.

The fact in all of them is belief. Accepting the healing and KNOWING it will work.

Doubt doesn't heal.

BTW - I don't believe in herbs in place of faith healing. I believe that God put herbs on earth for us to heal.
Not simply believing, my friend. Many believe in many types of manipulations of spiritual power, and worship many gods while doing so, but one thing I'm certain many here will agree upon, is that Jesus' miracles were supported by the Holy Spirit of God. The one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Simply because there are those in our time, who have been able to produce positive results in a person's life by manipulating spiritual power, this is in no way equal to the miracles of Jesus, in this present day, or even thousands of years ago. Religious unification, (all roads lead to heaven), or all supernatural manifestations of healing are of God, regardless of the belief, are some of the false teachings and heretical philosophies (such as in wicca, which are deceiving many in our time. and are sending many souls to hell).
 
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There is an elderly man in my church that has had cancer for many years. The doctors said that there was no hope of curing it and the best thing they could do was possibly slow down the spreading of it with chemo and radiation, but even the treatment could possibly kill him in his condition. He had over a hundred tumors in his body and as of his second to last test he was showing no signs of improving. Our church had been praying for him a lot! This past Tuesday the doctors did a test and found him 100% cancer free !!!! This makes the 2nd person in our church in the past month alone that has been healed of cancer, and there has been several more that have been suddenly healed of other illnesses after having been prayed for! I used to be an atheist and even after I was saved i doubted if God really worked miracles, but I've seen to much lately to count it all as coincidence. In my opinion, God is real and He does work miracles. =)
Glory to God! Thank you so much for that testimony. :)

It saddens me a little, when I realize that there are still people who are aquainted with salvation, but deny the power of God. I am not pentecostal, but I believe in Pentecost, I am not Baptist, but I believe in Baptism, I am not Jewish, but I believe the Old Testement in its entirety, but this is less about denomination and more about understanding and believing that God is the same today as he was in the days when Jesus walked the earth in human form.

I have attended services for most of my life, where I have seen the power of God, doing the inexplicable. Salvation most certainly does give a person a different perspective, although I am finding more and more, that some who have accepted Jesus as Savior, are not familiar with the power of the Holy Spirit working mightily in this present time.


During the 1920's, there was a woman named Kathryn Kuhlman. She was very flamboyant, charismatic, and at times a bit entertaining, but I know individuals who regularly drove hours to be in her services. She would always insist that individuals who claimed to have been healed in her services, would see a doctor as soon as possible to confirm the healing. Some would return with medical documentation and test results. There were also Doctors who would acknwledge the healing, but were afraid to come forward because of what people might think of their practice. I read Kathryn's biography years ago, and I will never forget the men and women, some of whom are now pastors and evangelists, who remember those powerful demonstrations of God's power.

Kathryn could sometimes be found crying behind the scenes, and pleading with God to explain to her why some were healed and some were not. It grieved her deeply to see people walking away, still bearing their sicknesses. She never received, or at least she never documented, an answer to that prayer.

I am thankful that our salvation is not dependent upon believing in the miracle working power of God, and there will always be skeptics and those who have not been priveledged enough to see what I've seen, heard about, and experienced. But whether you believe the bible, concerning the of the gifts of the Spirit, or are simply content believing on the death, burial and resurrection, and eventual second coming of Jesus, at least I can call you my brother and my sister, because you've heard and received the message of God's salvation, and I praise God for that miracle in your life.
 
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'Never give a sucker an even break' Cuthber J. Twillbey. 1929. WCFields.
 
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thank you that i don't live in a blind oblivion such as you do, and gender my god with an askew eye as any adult should. yeesh.
 
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thank you that i don't live in a blind oblivion such as you do, and gender my god with an askew eye as any adult should. yeesh.
You are entitled to your own beliefs but we do not live in blind oblivion.

As a side note though, this is how I see it: if we as Christians are wrong about our beliefs and "live in blind oblivion" as you so say, then we really haven't lost much.

All it took for us was a short prayer admitting that we are imperfect (that we are sinners) and a humble request for salvation from Jesus who died on the cross for our sins. After that, it's just living a (hopefully) more moral life quite similar to many non-believers. However, if you are wrong and we are in fact correct, well... you have everything to lose - all because of one free, genuine, and simple prayer that no one would know about unless you tell.

It's a no-brainer to me to cover all the bases especially when it doesn't cost me any work or embarrassment to get my ticket to Heaven - a ticket that cannot be taken away once I get it. Which non-Christian religion in this world will promise you that? One prayer and a ticket that cannot be taken away - you don't even need to do any good deeds!
 
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JesinFL

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Not simply believing, my friend. Many believe in many types of manipulations of spiritual power, and worship many gods while doing so, but one thing I'm certain many here will agree upon, is that Jesus' miracles were supported by the Holy Spirit of God. The one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Simply because there are those in our time, who have been able to produce positive results in a person's life by manipulating spiritual power, this is in no way equal to the miracles of Jesus, in this present day, or even thousands of years ago. Religious unification, (all roads lead to heaven), or all supernatural manifestations of healing are of God, regardless of the belief, are some of the false teachings and heretical philosophies (such as in wicca, which are deceiving many in our time. and are sending many souls to hell).

I'm not sure why we both believe that this is actually occurring, but we're opposed. Why do you think that some people are healed and others aren't?

I know that I'm not perfect and I know that, sometimes, when I pray, I believe that something is going to happen and sometimes I'm doubtful. And, usually, when I'm doubtful, things don't work out.

I hope you're not thinking that I'm referring to some "other" God when I say God. I absolutely do not believe in wicca. I believe in God the father. I believe that there ARE many ways to heal. Why would God put all these herbs on this earth that cause our bodies to heal themselves? Or, is that why people get weird when I mention them? Do people believe that herbs heal through some kind of altered belief?

God made our bodies to function amazingly. He made herbs to heal us. He made food to sustain us (not Twinkies! :p). He made us able to touch people and turn their lives around, physically and emotionally. Do you think that two people could see that kind of healing if there was no belief involved?

I am blessed to have been taught by a Christian herbalist and I am very apprehensive to learn any techniques from anyone besides her. I don't embrace strange techniques, but I have learned to read symptoms and behavior to see what's really going on with people. And, I must say, it has scared people away from me, very recently.

Anyway...we both believe in this type of healing.

I only wonder why so many people "poo-poo" other healing methods that God has placed here for us to utilize. :confused:
 
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songster

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First - I haven't read everything everyone has said.

What I know - Believing is the top priority regardless of the technique you choose to receive your healing in. I believe in herbs healing, people don't believe in that. Swizzle believes in faith healing. Some believe in Western medicine healing. Some believe crystals heal. Some believe acupuncture heals. There are a million beliefs regarding healing.

The fact in all of them is belief. Accepting the healing and KNOWING it will work.

Doubt doesn't heal.

BTW - I don't believe in herbs in place of faith healing. I believe that God put herbs on earth for us to heal.
No one has ever been able to fully explain why some people are healed and others are not, but faith definitely played a part in the lives of those who were healed. The bible clearly supports this fact. Christians are wise to avoid what you are introducing as alternative methods of healings. On the surface, these may seem harmless and useful as techniques to produce positive physical results, but under closer examination, they fail to line up with even the most fundamental beliefs of true Christianity. I’ll give you some examples, using a few of your ‘millions of beliefs regarding healing’.

In order to believe in Acupuncture, one must believe in the Zang Fu, believing that there are Yin organs and Yang organs, (believing that the body is divided into Yin and Yang energy channels).

In acupuncture, one must also subscribe to the idea that each of our organs interact with the 5 earthly elements, (elements are also of great importance in the wiccan belief system).

I certainly can’t leave out the many forms of psychic healing, which once again, depend on the belief of analyzing and treating the metaphysical body, supporting the theories of healing through manipulating spiritual energy.

I could continue, but I know that the readers of this post already get the message, that this is in no way, something that God is doing or supporting. Many things are possible, my friend, contacting the dead, communicating with demon spirits, levitation, astrology and fortune telling, but these have nothing to do with the manifestations of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and moreover these do not glorify the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

If you tell me that more broccoli might increase the levels of serotonin in my brain, producing a better feeling physically, I might believe that. But what you have believed and are possibly attempting to teach, are consistent with the efforts of those who wish to change the image of God into a cosmic force manifesting himself as many different deities, and this my friend, is not Christianity.

But, on a lighter note, Oprah Winfrey, Deepak Chopra, and the Tibetan Dalai Lamas, would applaud your efforts.

Technically, there is no such thing as a ‘Faith Healer’. This was a label assigned to those who were given gifts of healing through the power of the Holy Spirit. A more correct way of understanding what is transpiring during a service where mass healings are occurring would be located in;

I Corinthians 12:28
…And in the church God has appointed first, apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing,
 
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JesinFL

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No one has ever been able to fully explain why some people are healed and others are not, but faith definitely played a part in the lives of those who were healed. The bible clearly supports this fact. Christians are wise to avoid what you are introducing as alternative methods of healings. On the surface, these may seem harmless and useful as techniques to produce positive physical results, but under closer examination, they fail to line up with even the most fundamental beliefs of true Christianity. I’ll give you some examples, using a few of your ‘millions of beliefs regarding healing’.
In order to believe in Acupuncture, one must believe in the Zang Fu, believing that there are Yin organs and Yang organs, (believing that the body is divided into Yin and Yang energy channels).

In acupuncture, one must also subscribe to the idea that each of our organs interact with the 5 earthly elements, (elements are also of great importance in the wiccan belief system).

I certainly can’t leave out the many forms of psychic healing, which once again, depend on the belief of analyzing and treating the metaphysical body, supporting the theories of healing through manipulating spiritual energy.

I could continue, but I know that the readers of this post already get the message, that this is in no way, something that God is doing or supporting. Many things are possible, my friend, contacting the dead, communicating with demon spirits, levitation, astrology and fortune telling, but these have nothing to do with the manifestations of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and moreover these do not glorify the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

If you tell me that more broccoli might increase the levels of serotonin in my brain, producing a better feeling physically, I might believe that. But what you have believed and are possibly attempting to teach, are consistent with the efforts of those who wish to change the image of God into a cosmic force manifesting himself as many different deities, and this my friend, is not Christianity.

But, on a lighter note, Oprah Winfrey, Deepak Chopra, and the Tibetan Dalai Lamas, would applaud your efforts.
Technically, there is no such thing as a ‘Faith Healer’. This was a label assigned to those who were given gifts of healing through the power of the Holy Spirit. A more correct way of understanding what is transpiring during a service where mass healings are occurring would be located in;

I Corinthians 12:28
…And in the church God has appointed first, apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing,
Okay. I'm amazed. You're saying that believing the plants can heal people and have the same nutritional properties of foods, is against being Christian?
 
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JesinFL

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Songster, I invite you to take a moment to PM me or start a private chat with me.

I think you might want to get to know me before you judge what I believe in and what I don't believe in.
 
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songster

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Songster, I invite you to take a moment to PM me or start a private chat with me.

I think you might want to get to know me before you judge what I believe in and what I don't believe in.
Jessica,

I'm certain you are as pleasant and as sincere as you seem to be, but when it comes to matters such as this I like to keep things out in the open. It's the best way for, not only you and I, but for others to understand what both of us are affirming, as we, being Christians, (believing that Jesus Christ is the only way to God and Heaven), try to arrive at the truth concerning these things.

Had you mentioned herbal remedies as a way to treat cold symptoms, for example, I would have bypassed the thread, unless I was moved to give 'kudos' to my brothers and sisters on this thread who have been giving glory to God for some very wonderful healings, but because you specifically mentioned 'millions of beliefs regarding healing', crystals, and acupuncture, I felt the need to comment by producing the facts concerning these methods, not pertaining to herbs (simple vegitation which may have a few healing properties), but these other healing techniques, which are rooted in some very dangerous belief systems.

Please understand, I am not judging you for believing or practicing these things, that is not my responsibility as a christian, but facts are important, otherwise some may assume that something is completely harmless, when it isn't.
 
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JesinFL

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Jessica,

I'm certain you are as pleasant and as sincere as you seem to be, but when it comes to matters such as this I like to keep things out in the open. It's the best way for, not only you and I, but for others to understand what both of us are affirming, as we, being Christians, (believing that Jesus Christ is the only way to God and Heaven), try to arrive at the truth concerning these things.

Had you mentioned herbal remedies as a way to treat cold symptoms, for example, I would have bypassed the thread, unless I was moved to give 'kudos' to my brothers and sisters on this thread who have been giving glory to God for some very wonderful healings, but because you specifically mentioned 'millions of beliefs regarding healing', crystals, and acupuncture, I felt the need to comment by producing the facts concerning these methods, not pertaining to herbs (simple vegitation which may have a few healing properties), but these other healing techniques, which are rooted in some very dangerous belief systems.

Please understand, I am not judging you for believing or practicing these things, that is not my responsibility as a christian, but facts are important, otherwise some may assume that something is completely harmless, when it isn't.
Well, if you want to bring it all out in the open, you did judge me and you continue to. You intentionally made fun of me by bringing up the Oprah and Deepak Chopra reference.

Honestly, I came here to escape this type of behavior. I thought this was safe haven with other people who believed and who would show love.

I do not use crystals. I do not participate in ungodly rituals.

I believe that God teaches everyone many things. Unfortunately, they don't all listen. For example, don't you think you could have stopped me and shown me what you believe the error of my ways is in a better way?
 
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In order to believe in Acupuncture, one must believe in the Zang Fu, believing that there are Yin organs and Yang organs, (believing that the body is divided into Yin and Yang energy channels).

In acupuncture, one must also subscribe to the idea that each of our organs interact with the 5 earthly elements, (elements are also of great importance in the wiccan belief system).
Umm... I'm Chinese, I grew up with this and more, and I can tell you that you're wrong... lol Some people may believe in that - particularly Westernized people who actually know very little about acupuncture other than what the practitioners promote it as. There's a thing with Western culture that seems to love Lululemon & yoga. I call it marketing. I guess you call it Zang Fu, Yin organs, and Yang organs. Unfortunately, translating "chi or qi" into English isn't quite as easy as some people would like. :)

By the way, if you ever consume too much processed foods, make some gok fa cha and some ha fu cho. It will do you some good. :)
 
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songster

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Well, if you want to bring it all out in the open, you did judge me and you continue to. You intentionally made fun of me by bringing up the Oprah and Deepak Chopra reference.

Honestly, I came here to escape this type of behavior. I thought this was safe haven with other people who believed and who would show love.

I do not use crystals. I do not participate in ungodly rituals.

I believe that God teaches everyone many things. Unfortunately, they don't all listen. For example, don't you think you could have stopped me and shown me what you believe the error of my ways is in a better way?
Jessica, you have my most sincere apology, if anything posted, was taken personally, however, pointing out the truth regarding these matters is important. I reiterate that, the belief systems I defined, associated with the healing methods you mentioned, such as crystal use, acupunture, etc..., are dangerous beliefs. I believe that if the readers of these posts, review our correspondence in this thread, they will find that I have made no offensive statements. These belief systems, you seemed to advocate, in your original post, are most certainly consistent with the teachings of Oprah Winfrey, Deepak Chopra and many others, and they would indeed agree with you, or applaud your efforts.

It was not made clear in your original post, that you were even remotely interested in leaving these beliefs, in fact it sent a very clear message that you equated these methods with the healing power of God. Your profile indicated that you are Christian, and with that information I approached the matter as I would, warning a brother or sister in Christ, of errors within their understanding of the Christian life, which could prove costly.

If I have offended you in some way, by revealing the facts about these beliefs, there are many other wonderful believers on this site who would gladly share the truth of the gospel with you, but I would recommend being forthright and honest in your search, when presenting your desire to escape these dangerous non-christian beliefs. Otherwise, someone might get the impression that you are peddling false teachings similar to the individuals I"ve already mentioned, or that you are not sincerely trying to escape, but rather, are cleverly attempting to persuade those who are not well versed in the scriptures, or firm in their faith, to turn from the truth of God's word.

I can't say this any more lovingly than this. Avoid teachings such as these, learn what the bible has to say concerning healing and the only way of salvation (through Jesus Christ, the Son of God).

You seem sweet, intelligent and sincere, and If you are sincerely desirous of turning from these things, I would love to help in any way I can.
 
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songster

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Umm... I'm Chinese, I grew up with this and more, and I can tell you that you're wrong... lol Some people may believe in that - particularly Westernized people who actually know very little about acupuncture other than what the practitioners promote it as. There's a thing with Western culture that seems to love Lululemon & yoga. I call it marketing. I guess you call it Zang Fu, Yin organs, and Yang organs. Unfortunately, translating "chi or qi" into English isn't quite as easy as some people would like. :)

By the way, if you ever consume too much processed foods, make some gok fa cha and some ha fu cho. It will do you some good. :)
I encourage the believers, in this thread, to conduct research for themselves, and to make up their minds and determine, for themselves, whether I have presented anything false.
 
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I encourage the believers, in this thread, to conduct research for themselves, and to make up their minds and determine, for themselves, whether I have presented anything false.
You haven't presented anything false. What you have done is present one view. Unfortunately, the view that you've presented is the result of years of marketing genius, if it can be called that. I once knew someone who said martial arts is evil and against God because of the same thing - ying, yang, and the whole mumble jumbo but I have taken, not only tai chi, but qi gong lessons before. In fact, my family has a direct connection to some of history's famous martial arts teachers. If they heard about people thinking it is about pagan worship, they will only laugh because it's only marketed that way to attract silly foreigners who find novelty in anything that they don't have.
 
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You haven't presented anything false. What you have done is present one view. Unfortunately, the view that you've presented is the result of years of marketing genius, if it can be called that. I once knew someone who said martial arts is evil and against God because of the same thing - ying, yang, and the whole mumble jumbo but I have taken, not only tai chi, but qi gong lessons before. In fact, my family has a direct connection to some of history's famous martial arts teachers. If they heard about people thinking it is about pagan worship, they will only laugh because it's only marketed that way to attract silly foreigners who find novelty in anything that they don't have.
I should add, try marketing that to a first or second generation Chinese person and they will roll their eyes at you. If I walk into a herbal store in Chinatown, all I have to do is tell them what tea/broth I'm making and they will give me exactly what I need. But if a white-looking person walks into the store and asks for the same thing, they will try to sell them additional herbs that will seemingly make the drink "healthier."

The same marketing applies to restaurants. This is why many non-Chinese people don't bother dining at a Chinese restaurant with no Chinese sitting at the tables! These people are actually quite smart having realized that they have been fed terrible Chinese food that no self-respecting Chinese would actually eat. But it was marketed really well, wasn't it? :)
 
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You haven't presented anything false. What you have done is present one view. Unfortunately, the view that you've presented is the result of years of marketing genius, if it can be called that. I once knew someone who said martial arts is evil and against God because of the same thing - ying, yang, and the whole mumble jumbo but I have taken, not only tai chi, but qi gong lessons before. In fact, my family has a direct connection to some of history's famous martial arts teachers. If they heard about people thinking it is about pagan worship, they will only laugh because it's only marketed that way to attract silly foreigners who find novelty in anything that they don't have.
If you have any information or references I can access and review which would support the idea that acupuncture is not rooted in a dangerous belief system supporting the belief in manipulating energies associated with the metaphysical body, I would be happy to review them.

Correctly placing a kick, or punch, in the martial arts, differs considerably from corretly placing stones, crystals, and acupuncture needles. The charts themselves were designed based on theories associated with metaphysical energies and connections with the 5 elements. If you are simply sharing your viewpoint, and have no supportive references, thank you for your post.