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lil_christian

lil_christian

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jimmydiggs said:
Not quite, but this will help.




Also, I would avoid trying to make analogies to the Trinity. They end up leaning toward heresy. I used to do the whole "H20 is water, fog, and ice!" but thats Modalism.
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Alright, I dunno how they'd all exactly end up leaning toward heresy (a little explanation on how it would be would be helpful so that way I could avoid the same mistake.)
 
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feedm3

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Doesn't the Trinity and the way it's phrased confuse some? If you really believe that Jesus is God, isn't this a less confusing way for people? God bless you
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No it's not confusing.
To many passages teach the trinity and oppose your message:
Colour Coding:
Red = Father; Blue = Son; Green = Holy Spirit

  1. Isaiah 48:16 "And now the Lord Godhas sent Me, and His Spirit." (verses 12-13 actually identify the speaker in v16 "ME" as being the creator YHWH. Jesus what actually was sent, is called the creator in the New Testament: Jn 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:10-12. The natural reading of Isa 48:16, is that the sender is the Father. The Jews simply had no way to explain how both the sender and the one sent (ME) could both be YHWH. This is a good example of doctrinal development between the Old and New Testament. Christians can easily make sense of the passage! So Isa 48:16 has YHWH sending another who is also YHWH. Of course Trinitarians know that all three members of the Godhead are called "YHWH". Anti-Trinitarians, can do no better than the Jews in explaining how the send and the one sent are both called YHWH in Isa 48:16! Combined with Isa 61:1, it is clear that the ME is Jesus!)
  2. Isaiah 61:1: "The Spirit of the Lord God is uponme, Because the Lord (YHWH) has anointedme To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; " (This is a certified triadic passage because Jesus applied the text to Himself in Luke 4:18-30)
  3. Isaiah 63:8-10: "For He said, "Surely, they are My people, Sons who will not deal falsely."So He became their Savior. In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the angel of His presence [lit: face] saved them; In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them, And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old.But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit" (The angel of His face is YHWH himself not a created angel: Ex 23:14-15, 20-23; 14:19; Num 20:16; Ex 33:12. Trinitarians expect to find this kind of passage in the Old Testament, that would not be fully understood until the mystery was revealed about the Trinity in the New Testament.)
  4. Matthew 3:13-17; Luke 3:21-22: After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water;and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
  5. Matthew 28:19: "baptizing them in the name of the Fatherand the Sonand the Holy Spirit"
  6. Luke 1:35: "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. "
  7. Luke 4:1-12: "Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness for forty days, � Jesus answered him, "It is written , �You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only."
  8. John 14:16: "I will askthe Father , and He will give youanother Helper , that He may be with you forever"
  9. John 20:21-22: "So Jesus said to them again, " Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you." And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit ."
  10. Acts 1:7-8: "He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochswhich the Father has fixed by His own authority ; but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you
  11. Acts 2:33: "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Fatherthe promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forththis which you both see and hear. "
  12. Acts 2:38-39: "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."
  13. Acts 5:30-32: "The God of our fathersraised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross... "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
  14. Acts 7:55: "But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God"
  15. "So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria enjoyed peace, being built up; and going on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it continued to increase." (Acts 9:31)
  16. Acts 10:38: "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Himwith the Holy Spirit and with power"
  17. Acts 10:44-48: "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message � and exalting God � And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
  18. Acts 11:15-17: "the Holy Spirit fell upon them � Therefore God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also afterbelieving in the Lord Jesus Christ?"
  19. Acts 15:8-11: "And God, who knows the heart, testified to themgiving them the Holy Spirit � we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus"
  20. Acts 20:27-28: "For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. "Be on guard � for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. "
  21. Acts 28:25-31: "The Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers � this salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles � preaching the kingdom of God andteaching concerning the Lord Jesus Christ"
  22. Romans 1:1-4: "Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, � who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, "
  23. Romans 5:5-6: "the love of God has been poured out within our heartsthrough the Holy Spirit who was given to us. For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. "
  24. Romans 8:2-4: "For the law of the Spirit of lifein Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. � God � sendingHis own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh � walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. "
  25. Romans 8:9 "indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. "
  26. Romans 8:14-17: "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. � you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of Godand fellow heirs with Christ"
  27. Romans 8:26-30: "In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness � the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words� God causes all things to work together for good � predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son"
  28. Romans 15:16: "to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. "
  29. Romans 15:30: "Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christand by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me,"
  30. 1 Corinthians 2:2-5: "For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified� in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would � rest on the power of God."
  31. 1 Corinthians 6:11: "inherit the kingdom of God. � you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christand in the Spirit of our God."
  32. 1 Corinthians 12:4-6: "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. "
  33. 1 Corinthians 12:11-12,18: "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. � But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired."
  34. 2 Corinthians 1:21-22: "Now He who establishes us with you in Christand anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge. "
  35. 2 Corinthians 3:3-4: "written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God � Such confidence we have through Christtoward God."
  36. 2 Corinthians 13:14 "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
  37. Galatians 3:1-5: "Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified � does He who provides youwith the Spirit and works miracles among you"
  38. Galatians 3:14: "The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith � in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
  39. Galatians 4:4-6: "God sent forthHis Son � God has sent forththe Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"
  40. Ephesians 1:3-13: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, " � "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace " � "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation�having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, "
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feedm3

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Continued:

  1. Ephesians 2:18: "for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. "
  2. Ephesians 2:19-22: "God�s household � Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone � a holy temple in the Lord � dwelling of God in the Spirit."
  3. Ephesians 3:16-17: "that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith"
  4. Ephesians 4:4-6: "one Spirit � one Lord � one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."
  5. Ephesians 4:30-32: "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption � forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you."
  6. Ephesians 5:18-20: "be filled with the Spirit � singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father"
  7. 1 Thessalonians 1:3-6: "hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father �in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction � with the joy of the Holy Spirit"
  8. 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14: "always give thanks to God � beloved by the Lord � sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth � the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. "
  9. Titus 3:4-6: "the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, � according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior"
  10. Hebrews 2:3-4: "salvation first spoken through the Lord � God also testifying � gifts of the Holy Spirit"
  11. Hebrews 9:14: "how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God"
  12. Hebrews 10:29-31: "trampled under foot the Son of God � has insulted the Spirit of grace � It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. "
  13. 1 Peter 1:2: "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood"
  14. 1 Peter 3:18: "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; "
  15. 1 Peter 4:14: "If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. "
  16. 1 John 3:23-24: "we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ � He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."
  17. 1 John 4:2: "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God"
  18. 1 John 4:13-14: "He has given us of His Spirit. We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. "
  19. Jude 20-21: "praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. "
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