A man can simultaneously be a dad, husband, and son.
And so the Lord can simultaneously be a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I think.
And so the Lord can simultaneously be a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I think.
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True. But a man can't be a dad to a wife, a husband to a father, or a son to a son. Or a husband to a son or a son to a husband.
This is the incompleteness of Oneness. God is all those simultaneously and they are distinct. Just not distinct "persons".
The F-S-HS are not each other. They comprise God as One Divinity.
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Scotth1960
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Dear friends, If God is not the Trinity, Who (what) is He? If He is not three Persons, how
do you distinguish and make distinct the Father from the Son and from the Spirit. The
term Persons preserves the distinctions between the members of the Godhead.
Thus, the Person of the Father is not the Person of the Son or the Spirit, the Person of the
Son is not the Person of the Father or the Spirit, and the Person of the Spirit is not the
Person of the Father or of the Son. The concept of Persons preserves the unique
characteristic of each member of the Godhead. Without the term persons, the members
are merged/ fused/ confused, and the distinctions between (among) them are blurred or
confused. Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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Crazy4GODword
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THERE caught ya sorry
if you claim them deity all three.and believe there is one God...Trinity believer....ever watch the show caught in the act.....yeah this happened
THERE caught ya sorry
if you claim them deity all three.and believe there is one God...Trinity believer....ever watch the show caught in the act.....yeah this happened
Not even close. I have repeatedly confirmed the F-S-HS as Deity and as distinct. (I bet you never read my affirmations that were posted 7 or 8 times.) They are not three "persons"; they are something ELSE.
Believing the F-S-HS are Deity is NOT default Trinity. I'm not Trinitarian.
If only you were even half as clever as you think...
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Crazy4GODword
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man you seem to not know no offense......you just said distinct...that is what we believe
man you seem to not know no offense......you just said distinct...that is what we believe
No, you believe in distinct "persons".
I do not. Scripture does not.
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Scotth1960
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So if there are no distinct persons, the Father is the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Son is the Father and the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son. That is the inevitable consequence of denying the persons of the Trinity: they merge/blend/fuse/ confuse with each other, all into a vague oneness, if they are not distinct from distinguishable (but not separate) from each other. Take care.
No, you forget my affirmations again. The F-S-HS are distinct and specifically NOT each other. "Persons" is discrete by comparison. Three and distinct and not "persons".
I'll begin referring to "persons" as discrete to avoid confusion.
It would be much easier if someone actually understood what Logos is, and how it is interrelated to its counterpart Rhema.
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Crazy4GODword
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ok to make the definition easier for some people......... Trinity mean, the unity of the Father, Son and HS
..... Trinity mean, the unity of the Father, Son and HSok to make the definition easier for some people....
No. Trinity is what it is, whether literally or conceptually. What gives you the right to reformulate it with a half-sentence summary?
Arians, Sabellians, Unitarians, Binitarians, Triadists, and Tritheists all make the same simple claim. You're just in WAY over your head. You should be asking, not telling. This 15yos teaching and instructing the world needs to stop. You're dialoging with grown men who are in God-called leadership roles. Stop treating them as peers or subordinates.
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paulnsilas
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1+1+1=3.
unless your name is winston and big brother is torturing you.
then the answer is whatever BB says it is.
No. I'm not Sola Scriptura.
No. Clement, Polycarp, and Ignatius weren't Trinitarian.
Since you have no grasp of reality and no credibility or integrity, I will leave you to your double-standards and prove-the-negative irrationality. I've endured it long enough.
Your sense of reason is even more flawed than your doctrine, which is quite infuriating to those of us with reason and integrity.[/quote]
You continually use personal language about me, something I don't do about you. You continually make it personal.. I don't do that. You expect us to believe your doctrine, but leave you teaching half-defined at best. You also assume these early writers Clement, Polycarp, and Ignatius aren't Trinitarian. That is your inference, based on what may be the fact that they didn't use the term "Trinity". That's an argument from silence. A man who never writes the word "Trinity" in his extant writings therefore doesn't believe in the Trinity. That's presuming too much. People don't necessarily reveal everything they really believe. You should know that! You continually delay revealing your Tradition, since you assume that Trinitarian Tradition is erroneous. I'm still waiting for some indication of an early occurrence of a body of Christians who can be identified as the True Church who were anti-Trinitarian. Take care. In Erie Scott PS You slander me by insinuating I am without reason and without integrity. You assume that a person who believes in the Trinity is ipso facto, then, without any reason or integrity. Again, an ad hominem attack on Trinitarians personally, not an exegesis of Scripture, or a proof of what is Tradition of God in an extra-biblical sense. Take care.
First good point I think you've ever made that i have read!
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Now did you really get anything from this mumbo jumbo because I sure didn't. It sounded like a politician at election time when asked about taxation.
You have to include all the saints that they have statues of all over the churches & also the fathers who they go to for confession.
This reasoning doesn't work simply because you can't be your own son. Christ could have been a father but he chose not to be & was obedient to his Father. When he returned to the father he was then Glorified by the Father with all his power because he had overcome the world. God the Father granted him deity for overcoming, he earned it thru obedience to the father.
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Scotth1960
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You did say Christ is a person. Then you said God is not a person. Maybe you mean Christ is a man. And God is not a man. Perhaps you think only human beings can be persons? Where do you get that? Does Scripture teach only human beings can be persons? We need to understand the term person. A person is a "soul", a mind and heart and emotions and a will and a memory and freedom and consciousness and self-consciousness and the ability to think, act, and reason. Angels thus qualify as persons. God thus qualifies as 3 persons. In Erie Scott