1 Corinthians 15:3

[bud62]

So you are adding to the bible too. Okay then.

Isaiah 56:3 calls them that joining in strangers

 

[bud62]

You should also have included verse 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin (as far as prohibiting him from going to heaven) ; for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Eph 2:5, Even when we were dead in sins, hath he QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST. 2 Tim 2:13, If we believe not, yet he remaineth faithful, he cannot deny himself.

After we have been born again, we do, however, still commit sins, but they will not void our eternal inheritance. They will, however, cause us to lose our relationship with God, until we repent of them. When we repent of them, and God forgives us, we are saved (delivered here in time) from our disfellowship with God. All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.

You are deceive or don't believe a lot of the BIBLE . LIKE a lot of people that want to pick what parts they want to pick out for them , It is all for our understanding , And correction , It tells us , that the doers are justified , not the hearers , GOD bless as HE sees fit ,

 

[Elihoenai]

Exodus 12:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:


Christ died on the cross. What is the cross? Is the cross the same as the Passover?

 

[bud62]

They diffently can BE Spiritual Jews . But they join in as stranger , JUST LIKE US . Those that are that are saved are spiritual Jews ,

 

[ForestGreenCook]

As I have said to you before, you can contrast it to what Peter and the 11 were preaching in early Acts

Calvary was not good news in the early Acts period (that is, prior to God’s revelation to Paul). The crucifixion was something preached as evil, something Israel had done to bring God’s wrath upon them (see Acts 2:22-36; Acts 3:12-26; Acts 4:9-12; Acts 5:27-32).

It is only when we come to Paul’s ministry and message that God reveals that Jesus Christ’s finished crosswork is now the means whereby He will save Jews and Gentiles alike by simple faith in that crosswork.

Peter and the 11 did not preach in early Acts, “Christ died for our sins.” Paul did preach that message, however (1 Corinthians 15:3, written during the book of Acts). Paul simply preached faith and faith alone in Jesus Christ’s finished crosswork as means for forgiveness, for salvation from sins, to receive the Holy Spirit, et cetera (Acts 13:38-39; Acts 16:30-31; Romans 1:16; Romans 3:22-28; Romans 4:1-8; Romans 4:24-25; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Ephesians 1:13-14; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; et cetera)

There was some good news in Peter's sermon to the Jews, as pointed out in Acts 3:26, Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Our spiritual faith can justify us here in this world, but we do not receive spiritual faith until we have been regenerated, and given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, as spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, Gal 5:22. Jesus Christ's faith is what justifies us eternally, Gal 2:16.

The natural man, 1 Cor 2:14, before he has been regenerated, does not have spiritual faith, he thinks the things of the Spirit is foolishness. Believing in spiritual things follows regeneration. Spiritual faith in Jesus Christ's finished work only comes after regeneration, and is not the means for forgiveness of sins. Christ's faithfulness in going to the cross is the means for forgiveness of sins. Isaiah 53:11, He shall see the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied; by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

[LeeLoving]

I might just be really messed up because I might have got an answer from gotquestions.org that said Jesus did not take the wrath of God (the Father, maybe) for us (maybe, if that's what they were saying). I might have been told here also that Jesus did not take the wrath of God for our sins possibly by two people (I guess I'm not sure if either of them meant God the Father). 1 Corinthians 15:3 says that Christ died for our sins though, doesn't it? That means Christ took the punishment for our sins by dying for them, doesn't it? Also, Jesus became sin for us, didn't He? Doesn't that mean God the Father(?) took out His wrath on Jesus?

Would it be possible to get more responses to this? I guess I just want to know I'm getting things right.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

But does "Christ died for our sins" mean that Christ died to take the punishment for our sins?

The punishment for sin is death (separation). Christ took our place on the cross, and died to pay for the sins of those that his Father gave to him. Those that he died for have been secured a place in heaven. However, those he died for will still commit sins as they live their lives here on earth, which will cause them death (a separation from God's fellowship, until they repent,) but not a separation from their security in heaven. There are many words in the scriptures that reference different meanings as to their content; such as, death= a separation, saved= a deliverance. We can suffer a separation (death) from eternal life, and we can suffer a separation (death) from our fellowship with God, until we repent, which brings about a deliverance (salvation)that we receive here on earth.

All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine of Jesus Christ. Without rightly dividing words in the scriptures, according to there context, will result in a failure to harmonize the scriptures.

If you want to think that just part of the BIBlE IS Good for you & trash the rest , I do believe that it all is for our understanding & correction . And I think I put all I needed to for what we where talking about . If you want to believe that the BIBLE teaches , once in the grass always in the grass , Well I believe All who fallow will most likely be lost , Because if WE believe that , WE will not overcome sin , AND will be found of HIM in sin .
JAMES 5:19 ,Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him .
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. this is talking about a brethren that has fallen back in sin , and he is warned , by his loving brethren .
GOD bless as HE sees fit .

If you want to keep the scriptures in the right context, so that they will harmonize with one another, you will have to understand that death is a separation, and there are many things that we can be separated from.

James 5:19, "shall save (deliver) a soul from death", does not have reference to delivering a soul from eternal death (separation), but delivering (saving) a soul from being separated (death) from his fellowship with God.

Yes! if you interpret your scriptures in the context that they are written in, you will find that once you have been eternally delivered, you will always be eternally delivered. Once you have been born again spiritually, you can not be unborn spiritually. You cannot go back into your mother's womb, and be unborn.

The English language is difficult for foreigners to understand, because it has one word that has several different meanings, according to the context it is written in, such as; An animal that we call a BEAR. We have trees that BEAR fruit. I cannot BEAR to leave you. Bear one another's burdens. etc. There are many words in the English translated bibles that mean different things, according to the context, such as; Life, Death, Saved, all, as many as, for, World, Perish, Sheep, Heaven, Kingdom, Ways, Paths, lost, etc.

This is one reason why the scriptures are written as a mystery. It confounds the wise, and makes us have to study, to show ourselves approved.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You are deceive or don't believe a lot of the BIBLE . LIKE a lot of people that want to pick what parts they want to pick out for them , It is all for our understanding , And correction , It tells us , that the doers are justified , not the hearers , GOD bless as HE sees fit ,

I have always stressed the fact, that we must consider all of the scriptures, and that all scriptures must harmonize, to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught. Doers and believers can justify themselves here on earth, but they cannot justify themselves eternally, Christ does that for us.

 

[Kim82]

But does "Christ died for our sins" mean that Christ died to take the punishment for our sins?

We are sinners and the penalty for sin is death.

According to God's law, we are to die for breaking one or more of His commandments.

But instead of us dying, Jesus took our place on the cross.

 

[bud62]

The punishment for sin is death (separation). Christ took our place on the cross, and died to pay for the sins of those that his Father gave to him. Those that he died for have been secured a place in heaven. However, those he died for will still commit sins as they live their lives here on earth, which will cause them death (a separation from God's fellowship, until they repent,) but not a separation from their security in heaven. There are many words in the scriptures that reference different meanings as to their content; such as, death= a separation, saved= a deliverance. We can suffer a separation (death) from eternal life, and we can suffer a separation (death) from our fellowship with God, until we repent, which brings about a deliverance (salvation)that we receive here on earth.

All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine of Jesus Christ. Without rightly dividing words in the scriptures, according to there context, will result in a failure to harmonize the scriptures.


If you want to keep the scriptures in the right context, so that they will harmonize with one another, you will have to understand that death is a separation, and there are many things that we can be separated from.

James 5:19, "shall save (deliver) a soul from death", does not have reference to delivering a soul from eternal death (separation), but delivering (saving) a soul from being separated (death) from his fellowship with God.

Yes! if you interpret your scriptures in the context that they are written in, you will find that once you have been eternally delivered, you will always be eternally delivered. Once you have been born again spiritually, you can not be unborn spiritually. You cannot go back into your mother's womb, and be unborn.

The English language is difficult for foreigners to understand, because it has one word that has several different meanings, according to the context it is written in, such as; An animal that we call a BEAR. We have trees that BEAR fruit. I cannot BEAR to leave you. Bear one another's burdens. etc. There are many words in the English translated bibles that mean different things, according to the context, such as; Life, Death, Saved, all, as many as, for, World, Perish, Sheep, Heaven, Kingdom, Ways, Paths, lost, etc.

This is one reason why the scriptures are written as a mystery. It confounds the wise, and makes us have to study, to show ourselves approved.

You got to watch how you twist the WORD of GOD , We can twist it to our own destruction , 2 Peter 3:16 tells us this, it uses the word wrest ,which mean twist .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You got to watch how you twist the WORD of GOD , We can twist it to our own destruction , 2 Peter 3:16 tells us this, it uses the word wrest ,which mean twist .

All scriptures must harmonize. Most people believe in a "work related eternal salvation" ant they are the ones who twist the scriptures. and limit God's power to eternally save all that he wants to save