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[Mitspa]

True, I understand and I think most people here understand what you're saying. I think we sometimes all get lost in our translation of it because we each are different people. We each have our own set of emotions and attitudes, some of them are right and some of our attitudes need working on. I think we all agree about living righteously but I think we all express it differently and need to be patient with one another. Don't you agree?

I could talk all day about this issue in this manner. .but if you will notice the basic response I have gotten for raising the issue has been to be attacked.. as it is written as as God has taught me " every voice that rises in judgement against you, you shall condemn"... as a righteous man...it an offense to God to see His servants accused as I have been accused on this thread.

 

[BrotherJustin]

I think you mean raises the question, begging the question refers to a very specific logical fallacy. Here beg actually means "to take for granted without basis or justification."

Yes; you're right--thank you.

 

[Justcallmetinman]

I could talk all day about this issue in this manner. .but if you will notice the basic response I have gotten for raising the issue has been to be attacked.. as it is written as as God has taught me " every voice that rises in judgement against you, you shall condemn"... as a righteous man...it an offense to God to see His servants accused as I have been accused on this thread.

I have been accused as having a phariseeic viewpoint but yet I fail to see how that applies to me since I dont lean on the law nor do I think the law ie works saves anyone . It wasnt expounded upon either how I am a pharisee advocate just touted.. I relayed spreading the gospel to the lost(gays) is biblical and when I showed scripture it was dismissed as an
untruth. Which btw, this is the first time anyone who claims to walk with Christ has argued this with me! LOL
Then I am told I need a new heart and was called a "YOUNG MAN' as a display of asserting authority over me.......but yet it is me that has a problem. Id say I have been judged very harshly considering noone really knows me yet. I have strong opinions on things and I dont think they are unbiblical.

Patient with one another? Id say I extended grace for not addressing the accusations and young man comment..................
Theres nothing that makes me more ill than a "christian" hypocrite.

 

[Stephen63]

Seven hundred & sixty-some-odd posts in three days..... my, my, my, Mitspa, you've certainly outdone yerself this time. Can't say that I blame ya for the thread though, with all the haters of those who believe we should 180 repent like the Bible says.

It seems as though no matter what side of the sin yer on, there's always gonna be haters. I'm beginning to wonder if it's about sexual sin at all, but about hating.

Luke 13:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? [SUP]3 [/SUP]I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? [SUP]5 [/SUP]I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Notice Jesus didn't specify WHICH sin, 'cuz he meant ALL kinds. Jesus taught us this about daily prayer:

Matthew 6:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Luke 11:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

John said this about repentance:

1 John 1:8-10 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we (the church) have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we (the church) confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us (the church) our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we (the church) say that we have not sinned, we(the church) make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Paul said this:

2 Corinthians 12:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: [SUP]21 [/SUP]And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

That's what "dying daily" is all about..... a "putting off" of the old man & putting on Christ; a "daily 180" from the world & its sin and walk holy before the Lord.

 

[coby2]

I have been accused as having a phariseeic viewpoint but yet I fail to see how that applies to me since I dont lean on the law nor do I think the law ie works saves anyone . It wasnt expounded upon either how I am a pharisee advocate just touted.. I relayed spreading the gospel to the lost(gays) is biblical and when I showed scripture it was dismissed as an
untruth. Which btw, this is the first time anyone who claims to walk with Christ has argued this with me! LOL
Then I am told I need a new heart and was called a "YOUNG MAN' as a display of asserting authority over me.......but yet it is me that has a problem. Id say I have been judged very harshly considering noone really knows me yet. I have strong opinions on things and I dont think they are unbiblical.

Patient with one another? Id say I extended grace for not addressing the accusations and young man comment..................
Theres nothing that makes me more ill than a "christian" hypocrite.

If you read back you can see that you made some accusations too.

 

[Sirk]

I could talk all day about this issue in this manner. .but if you will notice the basic response I have gotten for raising the issue has been to be attacked.. as it is written as as God has taught me " every voice that rises in judgement against you, you shall condemn"... as a righteous man...it an offense to God to see His servants accused as I have been accused on this thread.

well I for one do not "wink" at any sin but you painted with such a broad brush that it felt like you were talking about me and I think a few others sort of felt the same. I understand where you are coming from tho. There are a lot of churches that are getting watered down with liberal theology. It's not real surprising to me seeing how the bible says it will be in the last days. When you push on people by appearing to be lumping everyone into the same fruit bowl as say for instance, the gay lobby, you probably can expect a little pushback from those who feel attacked or maybe have a little different tact in reaching people.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I could talk all day about this issue in this manner. .but if you will notice the basic response I have gotten for raising the issue has been to be attacked.. as it is written as as God has taught me " every voice that rises in judgement against you, you shall condemn"... as a righteous man...it an offense to God to see His servants accused as I have been accused on this thread.

Talk about being hypocritical and judgmental.. YOU have done your fair share of accusing US on this thread. In fact your entire OP was accusatory, and many posts you've made up to now have been accusatory. Certainly it grieves God that you're accusing us, the same way you opine about us accusing you.. Pot, meet kettle. Looked in the mirror lately?

 

[PreTribGuy]

I'm kinda wondering if this thread of posts has run it's course?

 

[Sirk]

I have been accused as having a phariseeic viewpoint but yet I fail to see how that applies to me since I dont lean on the law nor do I think the law ie works saves anyone . It wasnt expounded upon either how I am a pharisee advocate just touted.. I relayed spreading the gospel to the lost(gays) is biblical and when I showed scripture it was dismissed as an
untruth. Which btw, this is the first time anyone who claims to walk with Christ has argued this with me! LOL
Then I am told I need a new heart and was called a "YOUNG MAN' as a display of asserting authority over me.......but yet it is me that has a problem. Id say I have been judged very harshly considering noone really knows me yet. I have strong opinions on things and I dont think they are unbiblical.

Patient with one another? Id say I extended grace for not addressing the accusations and young man comment..................
Theres nothing that makes me more ill than a "christian" hypocrite.

Well at least your in good company since large and small, little and great all have a little hypocrisy to share with the world in one way or another.

 

[PreTribGuy]

Let's call this one.

Perhaps time might be better spent elsewhere.