1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy
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Many miss the fact that the angels are also referred to as "saints," who are the only ones who will ever fight in the Heavenlies and on this earth to destroy the enemies of Israel.
The main Old Testament passages where angels are called "saints":
- Deuteronomy 33:2 — “ten thousands of holy ones”
- Psalm 89:5–7 (especially 89:5, 7) — “the assembly of the holy ones”
- Job 5:1 — “To which of the holy ones will you turn?”
- Job 15:15 — “his holy ones”
- Daniel 4:13, 17, 23 — “a watcher, a holy one”
- Daniel 7:10 — “thousands upon thousands attended him”
- Daniel 7:13, 18, 22, 25, 27 — “holy ones / saints” in the kingdom context
- Zechariah 14:5 — “all the holy ones with you”
Just a tidbit of info that can be interesting to anyone wanting to study this.
MM
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It is my understanding that angels or saints come from the root word holy ones. So, when I read NT scriptures, I ask myself did the translators choose the correct word
Yes. That's indeed a valid question, which is why we must then consider likelihoods. The timing of the events is one element for consideration, and there are others. Another one is a question about our role as human saints. The war fought in Heaven in Revelation 12, would that be the elect angels kicking out the fallen angels from their posts, or will it be us of the body of Christ, for the ratio of elect angels to fallen is 2:1, with the elect angels having the upper hand in that ratio.
Additionally, it makes sense that the elect angels return with Christ to defeat Israel's enemies because the NT repeatedly pairs Christ’s return with angels, not with resurrected saints as his judicial entourage. The pattern has been along the lines of His coming “with his angels” (Matt. 16:27; 25:31), sends “his angels” to gather the elect (Matt. 24:31), and is revealed “with his mighty angels” (2 Thess. 1:7). That fits the job description of heavenly agents executing judgment rather than to inject us as the new "army." Our function in Heaven as the redeemed doesn't seem to fit the narratives of aggression.
Going backward, it also fits the Old Testament “holy ones” language, which often points to heavenly beings in the Throne-room or judgment scenes (Deut. 33:2; Ps. 89:5–7; Job 5:1; Dan. 4:13, 17, 23; 7:10).
So the basic argument is:
- “Holy ones” + judgment scene → most naturally angels
- Christ coming to judge enemies → angels are the obvious attendants
- Jesus’ own statements → his return is “with angels,” which is the clearest textual link
MM