2 seeds, 2 Jerusalems

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I have NEVER EVER seen any of these people
discuss heart purity as it relates to justification, they will blow it off and enter into tangents in order to avoid the root issue.
Pauline theology on heart purity:

Ro 4:5:

"To the man who does
not work, but trusts God, who justifies the wicked (no heart purity).
his faith is credited as righteousness."

Ro 4:16:

The promise comes by faith so that (intention) it may be grace.

Ro 5:1, 9:

We have been justified through faith, by his blood.

Ro 5:8:

God reconciled us to him when we were his enemies
(no heart purity).

Ro 5:10:

When we were God's enemies (no heart purity), we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son.


 
John 3:6-7“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

What happens to your heart, when you are born again?
 
Ro 5:19 - "through the disobedience of the one man (Adam), the many were made sinners."

Ro 3:25 - "God presented him as a sacrifice of propitiation (look up its meaning), through faith in his blood."

Faith in his blood saves without works, lest anyone should boast. (Eph 2:8-9)

Ro 5:16-17 - "the gift (of God, salvation--v. 16)) followed many trespasses and
brought justification. . .how much more will those who receive God's. . .gift of righteousness reign in life through Jesus Christ."

Righteousness here means justification--
right standing, guiltless, before God through faith.

Heb 12:14
- "Without holiness (process of sanctification through obedience) no one will see the Lord."

Ro 3:25 - "God presented him as a sacrifice of propitiation, through faith in his blood."

The truth is Ro 5:16-17:

righteousness of Christ is justification, a gift

Eph 2:8-9 - "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this (salvation) not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast."

The salvation is not by works.
The holiness (sanctification) is by obedience of faith.

I note that you deny without actually addressing, giving the meaning of the texts of the Scriptures I presented, remaining true to all their words
.
Your doctrine denies heart purity in salvation
I have no doctrine, I "identify" with Pauline doctrine.
 
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Why does he has a BLACK FACE and this speaks volume about you! HMMMMMMM!!!

Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
Jon 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
 
Pauline theology on heart purity:
Ro 4:5:
"To the man who does
not work, but trusts God, who justifies the wicked (no heart purity).
his faith is credited as righteousness."
Ro 4:16:
The promise comes by faith so that (intention) it may be grace.
Ro 5:1, 9:
We have been justified through faith, by his blood.
Ro 5:8:
God reconciled us to him when we were his enemies
(no heart purity).
Ro 5:10:
When we were God's enemies (no heart purity), we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son.

Elin misrepresents Paul by focusing on depravity and then alludes to the legal exchange she believes in.

The truth though is that the children of God are not depraved, they are pure in heart. Elin cannot and will not address that subject. People of her ilk will select a bunch of verses and focus on "no heart purity" (as evidenced above) and then appeal to "faith" in the "finished work of the cross" in which they find the legal exchange doctrine (which cloaks the "no heart purity"). Their doctrine is void of manifest heart transformation in salvation and that is why they don't mention such a transformation at all. Instead they will argue in favour of depravity like Elin just did.


Paul taught this...

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and faith unfeigned is not "no heart purity."

Jesus taught...

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

God requires MANIFEST heart purity not some kind of cloak where He pretends a wicked person is pure.

Paul wrote this...

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

God justifies the wicked in the sense that He forgives PAST WICKEDNESS on the condition that the individual has forsaken their rebellion and walk by a faith that works by love.

Imputed righteousness is FAITH being reckoned as righteousness.

om 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Faith works by love.

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Faith is a work with power because it is an active principle as opposed to a passive principle.

2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

This is why faith purifies the heart.

Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

A pure heart is the opposite of a wicked heart which is why David associates the forgiveness of sins with a heart that has no guile or deceit.

Psa 32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Faith has an associated walk...

Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet

No walk = no faith.

No walk means no faith because faith is DOING. Jesus preached HEAR and DO.

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

The false teachers preach "hear and trust" and that the doing comes later. Yet the doing is always only PARTIAL because they believe in "sin you will and sin you must" due to they perceiving sin being in the flesh (Original Sin doctrine).

My focus is always on "hear and do" and how it produces "heart purity." Jesus died for the purpose that we die with Him whereby we approach God via His blood in repentance and faith and are transformed inwardly and made pure whereby we can serve God in an acceptable manner having had the guilt of our past sins purged. In other words, we are given a fresh start so as to walk in the light blameless with the faith of Christ, a faith that works by love. Our hearts are pure. The energy of God works through us effectually for we are no longer in rebellion whereby we used to scorn the grace of God.

No heart purity = No salvation.
 
Elin said:
Pauline theology on justification and heart purity:

Ro 4:5:
"To the man who does
not work, but trusts God, who
justifies the wicked (no heart purity), his faith is credited as righteousness."

Ro 4:16:
The promise comes by faith so that (intention) it may be grace.

Ro 5:1, 9:
We have been justified through faith, by his blood.

Ro 5:8:
God reconciled us to him when we were his enemies
(no heart purity).

Ro 5:10:
When we were God's enemies (no heart purity), we were reconciled to him
through the death of his Son
.
Elin misrepresents Paul by focusing on depravity and then alludes to the legal exchange she believes in.
It would be helpful if you explained, gave the meaning of, the Scriptures presented,
remaining true to their words and to the context.
 
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Elin said:
I note that you deny without actually addressing,
giving the meaning of the texts of the Scriptures I presented, remaining true to all their words.
You can note whatever you like Elin. I know how you operate. Your doctrine denies heart purity in salvation and that is why you will not elaborate or get involved in such a discussion. All you can do is isolate proof texts and heap rhetoric upon them, then
when one addresses one proof text you simply move on to another. It is a technique that the false teachers are very good at.
Sounds an awful lot like the Scriptures do not agree with your notions.