2Timothy 1:9
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I have apologized for bringing up works but the verse in the op also mentions works. A crossnote says, this thread is not about works whether of God or self.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
I first thought that the calling, God's purpose, His grace and His works, not our works were connected in one verse together, becasue the verse makes it clear "not according to our works" so I made the same point as Paul was making to Timothy.
So let's all avoid the works rhetoric as Crossnote requests of us. We don't want to hear a cross note from him LOL
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
I first thought that the calling, God's purpose, His grace and His works, not our works were connected in one verse together, becasue the verse makes it clear "not according to our works" so I made the same point as Paul was making to Timothy.
So let's all avoid the works rhetoric as Crossnote requests of us. We don't want to hear a cross note from him LOL
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This, IMO, is the essence of the argument!
Eph 2:10 Certainly tells us that Salvation will indeed produce works. These are not, and will not be our works; but rather Gods works in and through us.
Eph 2:8-9 tell us with all certainty that works neither produce nor maintain Salvation.
If any of you question why i consistently capitalize Salvation, it is because Salvation is a translation of Yeshua; and hence a form of Jesus' name.
Eph 2:10 Certainly tells us that Salvation will indeed produce works. These are not, and will not be our works; but rather Gods works in and through us.
Eph 2:8-9 tell us with all certainty that works neither produce nor maintain Salvation.
If any of you question why i consistently capitalize Salvation, it is because Salvation is a translation of Yeshua; and hence a form of Jesus' name.
Indeed! Eph 2:8 tells us that faith is the instrument by means of which grace operates. "By grace are ye saved through faith".
Eph 2:10 tells us that works indeed follow Salvation; but not our works. The indwelling Holy Spirit will produce God's work in and through us. These works are not to our credit; but to God's glory!
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We look at scripture as a process of cause and effect . Asking and doing, a lot of what is talked about at cc is based around these motives.
The Lord wants to establish a personal relationship with us in a imtiment way. In prayer and thought as well, to learn to seek him in everything we do. To meditate to desire to be holy in our personal lives. To establish devotions, to seek his wisdom, to live a godly life when we're alone at home as well as with others. To empty all of us before him. Being born again is only the beginning of your spiritual walk of faith. You should pursue those things of the Lord he wants you to have and know personally. A lot of Christians stand at the door but never enter in for the special blessings the Lord has found those who diligently seek him.
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The Lord wants to establish a personal relationship with us in a imtiment way. In prayer and thought as well, to learn to seek him in everything we do. To meditate to desire to be holy in our personal lives. To establish devotions, to seek his wisdom, to live a godly life when we're alone at home as well as with others. To empty all of us before him. Being born again is only the beginning of your spiritual walk of faith. You should pursue those things of the Lord he wants you to have and know personally. A lot of Christians stand at the door but never enter in for the special blessings the Lord has found those who diligently seek him.
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I agree reed with you, although that's not quite what I was getting at.
You and I both know that our works contribute nothing to our salvation, and that any attempts to do so is futile. But good works in and of themselves do not detract from God's grace regarding salvation. I see them as 2 different entities.
You and I both know that our works contribute nothing to our salvation, and that any attempts to do so is futile. But good works in and of themselves do not detract from God's grace regarding salvation. I see them as 2 different entities.