4th Industrial Revolution

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ZNP

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Prior to this I was putting all news concerning AI into the ChatGPT thread*, but that is a misnomer. So I am creating this new thread that is far more all encompassing.


4IR - 004 - OpenAI vs Google (Race to AGI)



*ChatGPT is an open source source AI, started by ZNP Jan 16, 2023
 

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So. a quick overview of where we are today in April 2024.

1. We have seen Israel, Ukraine, Russia and Iran all use drone swarms in the war that are operated by AI.

2. I argue that the current definition for AGI is not the relevant inflection point. AI does not need to be smarter than any person on the earth for us to hit a major inflection point. When AI is better for Fortune 500 companies than hiring college graduates that will be the major inflection point. When you have college graduates from Harvard, Yale, Berkley, Cal Tech, MIT, etc. with 240k in college debt and they can't get a job, that will be when the US wakes up to the threat, and I am predicting that we will see that this June in 2024.

3. Many argued that when AI could train itself that this would be the major inflection point, we have already passed that point. Not only so but we have also learned that by simply scaling up our computers we can make AI smarter, faster, and more capable. We now have AI that can train itself by watching Youtube videos. We also have AI that can make synthetic data to train itself, this shifts the speed at which AI is improving into an even higher gear.

4. Some are predicting that the AI we have now will replace 100 million jobs in the West. That is about 20% of the workers. However, that is not referring to those that replaced by machine learning, like the cashiers that are replaced by self checkout kiosks. Nor does it refer to drivers replaced by self driving cars or drones. Nor does that refer to the workers that 3d printers replace. It doesn't refer to fast food workers replaced by robots like the totally automated McDonalds, nor does it refer to the waiters and waitresses replaced by those computers on the table that you can use to order your meal. When you look at all the automation that can replace workers today in the US you are looking at 60% of the workforce, not 20%.

5. I and others are arguing that this summer we will reach AGI. However, the definition that I will be using is not the standard one. Generally AGI means the AI is better than all people at all things. I use that for ASI (artificial super intelligence). Instead I understand AGI to mean that Artificial intelligence is a better hire for a Fortune 500 company than any person would be. It is faster, cheaper, more reliable and smarter than any new hire or person without experience. Also it will improve exponentially faster than any new hire will. In every way possible it will give a better return on investment than hiring college graduates. It may be that a new hire will score slightly hire on some test than AI, but for every test a human can outperform AI in the AI will be able to outperform the same human in five other tests. Also, AI has improved from being a very smart 6th grader to a very smart college graduate in one year. AI is also improving at a faster rate now than it did a year ago. It is very reasonable to think that AI used at Fortune 500 this year will be performing at the level of elite workers with 15 years experience in less than a year.

6. AI is also a very good programmer. They are using AI to edit its own software. So it can run through millions of lines of code, make tiny little edits and improvements, but the net effect will be significant. Then, as AI improves as a result of the edits they can use it to again edit the software. We are seeing improvements in the software, improvements in the hardware, and improvements in the data being fed to it. All of these are contributing to exponential growth in the rate at which it learns and improves.

7. AI is also being used to design new chips and simulate them. Improving the architecture and efficiency of the computer also results in AI growing exponentially.

8. So then what is the future for man? We will see Elon Musk's neuralink explode. With each person that is hooked up to neuralink you will be feeding AI even more data to see the world through the eyes of a human being. If 100 people are hooked up the AI will get 100 years of experience in one year. If a million people are hooked up it will get a million years of experience in one year. They will have entire armies hooked up. This will become the only way to get a job at a fortune 500 company*.



*The reason I refer to fortune 500 companies is because they have the resources to have a powerful AI specifically trained to do their work. They will very soon be able to put all other competitors without those resources out of business.
 

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Now consider this, no one is using AI more in their business than those who are making AI. They are getting the biggest ROI from AI, which is far more efficient and as a result the speed at which it is improving is growing exponentially, especially when looked at it on a return on investment. If you understand that then also note that the amount of investment is growing exponentially. 10x the money is being pumped into this than what they had just a little while ago.
 

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Tesla may start selling its Optimus humanoid robot next year, says Elon Musk

Tesla may start selling its Optimus humanoid robot next year, says Elon Musk | Electrek
Those robots will replace blue collar workers. They cost 120k but the plan is to lease them for 30k a year and they can work four shifts a week, and there is no benefits package.

Imagine a restaurant that is not part of some big chain, they could still afford to bring in a robot to be a cook. They can do any manual labor job at a fraction of the cost so you don't need to be a fortune 500 company to get the benefit.

Grocery stores could use them as stock boys.

Staples could use them to process print orders.
 

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Robots as nannies


Terminator 2 - Father Figure
 

ZNP

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The Rise of AI Robots (This is the Future)


Initially the robots will be used for tasks that are "unsafe", "repetitive" or "boring". For example, defusing a bomb. But then it will be lifting heavy objects.

And how many jobs are "repetitive" or "boring". That is virtually all blue collar jobs for the 3rd man on the crew.
 

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They cost 120k
In the article, Musk says he hopes to sell them for $25,000.

He also says this:

The CEO said that the demand could be as high as 10 to 20 billion units.

He went as far as “confidently predicting” that Optimus will account for “a majority of Tesla’s long-term value.”
The CEO sees everyone having a Tesla Optimus robot at home on top of them taking over a lot of manufacturing and service jobs.
Musk gave an update on the timing for the rollout of Optimus. The CEO says that Optimus is already performing factory tasks inside its lab. He believes that Optimus will be used to perform real tasks inside actual Tesla factories by the end of the year.

Furthermore, Musk said that he believes Tesla could start selling its Optimus humanoid robot to customers outside of the company by the end of 2025.
 

ZNP

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In the article, Musk says he hopes to sell them for $25,000.

He also says this:
I heard the plan is to lease them like a Xerox machine because if they break they will have to be serviced. Also, even if only 5% of the US buys these as maids, that is still 5 million. In a year they will have 5 million years worth of experience and be able to replace all maids, all nannies, all cooks, all live in care givers, etc.
 

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I heard the plan is to lease them like a Xerox machine because if they break they will have to be serviced
Well, on his report of Tesla's 1st quarter Musk says he's going to sell them for ownership. Perhaps you'd need a service agreement. But if he can sell them for 25k, you are going to have a LOT of industries and private people buying them.
Maybe some other robot company is going to lease them out.

that's cheaper than most new cars!
 

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Well, on his report of Tesla's 1st quarter Musk says he's going to sell them for ownership. Perhaps you'd need a service agreement. But if he can sell them for 25k, you are going to have a LOT of industries and private people buying them.
Maybe some other robot company is going to lease them out.

that's cheaper than most new cars!
I think the world will change more in the next 12 months that it has changed in the last two thousand years.

The speed with which this all takes place will be the real "shock and awe".

Kind of like this woman's dream

 

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Daniel prophesied that knowledge would increase.

Prior to WW2 it was estimated that knowledge doubled every century. After WW2 it was thought that knowledge doubled every 25 years. Today it is thought that knowledge is doubling every year and that it could even get to the point where it is doubling every 12 hours.

 

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AI will crawl on its belly and eat the dust of the ground

Imagine this is the very end of the sixth day mentioned in Genesis 1. Six thousand years ago it was waste and void, but now the earth is filled like the garden of Eden and we even have the tree of Life in the center of the garden (Jesus Christ and the Bible). But now we also have AI, the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil which is also in the center of the garden. This will make one wise and appear like God. But the result is that we will be expelled from the garden and robots and AI will take over and replace us. We have Jesus Christ and the church. But we also have those who will choose the tree of death instead of the tree of life. All these ones are about to discover that they are now naked. Imagine you have a student who for 3 years has been an A+ student and done marvelous work. But then we decide to test this student and discover that it was chatGPT that did all that work. The student is "naked". We ask them to write something and it is like using a fig leaf instead of clothes. It is a pitiful excuse for clothes.

Who is telling them that they are naked? AI is. It used to be a hundred years ago no one had an issue with a simple paper written by a sixth grader. But now we expect pictures, references, and all kinds of bells and whistles that AI does. God was happy with us developing at our own rate. He never said we were naked despite the fact that He is omniscient. But AI has short circuited everything.

Now there are three curses that will arise. Is AI cheaper and more efficient than human labor? Yes. But, AI will eat dust. As the AI replaces people the businesses using AI will lose customers. At first the cost will seem a small fraction of what human labor would cost, but as humans become unemployed all the consumers will dry up and so will the income for these companies. AI will reduce labor costs by 90%, but it will also reduce income by 90%. So then it will have to eat dust.

Meanwhile man will have to work by the sweat of their brow and women will have much more difficulty raising children. But in the end God knew all about AI and knew it was a total waste of electricity. What is the point of building billion dollar computers with billion dollar transmission and billion dollar software to do jobs for Fortune 500 companies if there are no customers for your products? It is not sustainable whereas people learning and growing and developing is sustainable.
 

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Prior to this I was putting all news concerning AI into the ChatGPT thread*, but that is a misnomer. So I am creating this new thread that is far more all encompassing.
Kindly replace "industrial" with "technological". Yes AI is a technological revolution -- which never should have happened. So robotics -- like everything else -- has gone too far and these people are now playing "God" (like the geneticists).

It is getting more and more ugly, and Elon Musk -- who claims to be a champion of free speech and freedom -- is leading the world into this kind of slavery. His X (stupid name) continues to censor the truth. His electric vehicles are a total disaster, but he will not admit it. And this is another form of slavery, since EVs and charging their batteries consumes more energy than ordinary vehicles. Common sense has disappeared, and almost everyone accepts all this nonsense unquestioningly.
 

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I don't think people are considering the real danger in all this AI
As it does more and more of what man has always learned to do and does so the world continues to function, the less we will know what to do when this breaks down.
It will take more and more electric power to charge and maintain all this new AL.
That makes it much more easy for the enemy to bring us to our knees and demand we do as he wishes.
An example--
I had an old Chevy truck that I could not keep running so I took it to my local dealer.
The young man in the shop took it inside and after a short time he came and told me he could not repair it because there was no place he could hook up his computer to tell him what was wrong.
No one in the shop could help.
I finally found an old man with a shop behind his house that fixed the problem in less than an hour.
My point is that we become much more subject to a total breakdown of daily life because no one will know what to do when the power goes off and the robots stop their work.
Maybe that is the plan.
Something all should think about.
 

ZNP

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I don't think people are considering the real danger in all this AI
As it does more and more of what man has always learned to do and does so the world continues to function, the less we will know what to do when this breaks down.
It will take more and more electric power to charge and maintain all this new AL.
That makes it much more easy for the enemy to bring us to our knees and demand we do as he wishes.
An example--
I had an old Chevy truck that I could not keep running so I took it to my local dealer.
The young man in the shop took it inside and after a short time he came and told me he could not repair it because there was no place he could hook up his computer to tell him what was wrong.
No one in the shop could help.
I finally found an old man with a shop behind his house that fixed the problem in less than an hour.
My point is that we become much more subject to a total breakdown of daily life because no one will know what to do when the power goes off and the robots stop their work.
Maybe that is the plan.
Something all should think about.
Yes, that is one aspect, but also consider the difference between someone who plugs in a computer and it tells him which part to replace and then he unplugs the defective part and plugs in the working part and that is all they do. They have no idea how the little parts that they are plugging in and out work, nor are they able to diagnose the problem with your car. All they can do is plug in the computer and then replace whatever part they are told to replace. What used to be a highly skilled job is now like someone working in a fast food restaurant.

Now if they have done this to mechanics you know they will do it to doctors. Someone goes to the doctor and AI diagnoses the problem, recommends the tests that are to be done and if they determine they need an operation it is done by robots.

So not only will we not know how to fix stuff when it crashes, we also will eliminate all highly skilled jobs and replace them with minimum wage drones who are told what to do by the AI.