a challenge for those who believe Jesus allows divorce after adultery

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AVoice

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What I was replying to was you telling people they could not get divorced on grounds of sexual immorality, and then get remarried. That is false pretense and unbiblical to tell others, as the Lord gave permission for divorce on those grounds.
Like I said, you have no idea what the thread is about. Please read the OP and respond appropriately.
Jesus did NOT allow divorce if one in a joined marriage sexually violates the marriage, (adultery).
That is a monstrous misunderstanding.
 
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kennethcadwell

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You are in effect saying their first MARRIAGE has been forgiven. The marriage was not a sin.
By lumping the sin of divorce with the actual marriage itself and claiming they have BOTH been forgiven is a form of blasphemy. God can forgive that sin of blasphemy because he understands how people are doing so in ignorance and by being mislead by modern false teachers.
Most churches in the US are adultery cults by virtue of their allowing adultery by remarriage.
Lawful marriages are valid until one of the parties involved is dead.

Telling people that divorce by grounds of sexual immorality is not false teaching, as that is one way that releases the bond of adultery on the one who did not commit the act.

Example: If a woman cheats on her husband, and he divorces her and then later marry's another woman who has never been married or also got a divorce because her husband cheated on her. Then neither one is guilty of adultery in that marriage...............
 
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AVoice

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Telling people that divorce by grounds of sexual immorality is not false teaching, as that is one way that releases the bond of adultery on the one who did not commit the act.

Example: If a woman cheats on her husband, and he divorces her and then later marry's another woman who has never been married or also got a divorce because her husband cheated on her. Then neither one is guilty of adultery in that marriage...............
You are contradicting Mark 10:2-12 and Luke 16:18.
You are not responding appropriately with regard to what the thread is about. Read the OP and respond appropriately.
 
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kennethcadwell

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New International Version
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

New Living Translation
And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."

English Standard Version
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

New American Standard Bible
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And I tell you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

International Standard Version
I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

NET Bible
Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But I say to you, “Whoever divorces his wife apart from adultery and will take another, commits adultery, and whoever will take her who is divorced commits adultery.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I can guarantee that whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than her unfaithfulness is committing adultery if he marries another woman."

Jubilee Bible 2000
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication and shall marry another, commits adultery, and whosoever marries her that is put away commits adultery.

King James 2000 Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her who is put away does commit adultery.

American King James Version
And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her which is put away does commit adultery.

American Standard Version
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
 
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kennethcadwell

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You are contradicting Mark 10:2-12 and Luke 16:18.
You are not responding appropriately with regard to what the thread is about. Read the OP and respond appropriately.

Number one your OP is way to long, and second I will just stick to what the bible says.
And Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 does not contradict Mark and Luke, that would be you making them contradict. I would first start off with saying to you that Mark and Luke were not part of the original 12. Mark was in discipleship under Peter's guidance and Luke was in discipleship under Paul's guidance. So it is fair to say they did not have or give all the same information that Matthew was given. As I have told others you have to use scripture to interpret scripture to get the full meaning. Because if you just go by a few you will get the wrong context, and the same goes with if you take two writers and make something that does not contradict, contradict................
 
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Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus said remarriage is adultery. He said it seven times. What does it take for a person to accept the very easy statements that he made?
God is no respector of persons. Pastors or whoever. Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

King David, Abraham, Solomon etc. were not Christians. A Christian is someone who follows Christ. Christ had not come yet and so they were still "under the law", which was very liberal on a number of moral issues as it allowed polygamy, killing under certain circumstances, vengeance, etc.
We are not "under the law" in Christ. We are under truth, which by receiving and walking in the Holy Spirit, it is possible to abide in the truth, and hence abide in not committing adultery. Remarriage is adultery. We cannot abide in truth and at the same time be committing adultery by virtue of being remarried while a first lawful spouse is still alive.
Adultery has to be repented of. The adultery has to stop.
Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
AQueen stares at AVoice about his comment above, but the Ruach says to be quiet?? HMMMMMM!!!!!!
 
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prodigal

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The wife you married at 17 I suppose was the first for you both. Then you are still husband and wife in God's eyes. The relationships you are both in now are adultery. Either get out and go to be with your real wife or get out and stay single. The responsibility to provide for children is a separate topic. A repentant person needs to deal responsibly with whatever circumstances he finds himself in. It is wrong to abandon the care of your children while it is also wrong to continue living in adultery by remarriage. What Jesus said about remarriage being adultery is deadly serious.
Adulterers shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

so when god forgives its not a fresh start, he doesn't truly forgive but holds the offence against you. theres the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. the situation was an example not a reality. i do actually council people and i pray that this advice is never given to anybody going through marriage difficulties.

when the women caught in adultery was taken to Jesus by the legalists. the only one left right with Jesus was the women not the legalists. and he sent her away saying sin no more. i wonder if when Jesus said those without sin cast the first stone. some here would have been stone throwing.
 
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AVoice

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Number one your OP is way to long, and second I will just stick to what the bible says.
And Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 does not contradict Mark and Luke, that would be you making them contradict. I would first start off with saying to you that Mark and Luke were not part of the original 12. Mark was in discipleship under Peter's guidance and Luke was in discipleship under Paul's guidance. So it is fair to say they did not have or give all the same information that Matthew was given. As I have told others you have to use scripture to interpret scripture to get the full meaning. Because if you just go by a few you will get the wrong context, and the same goes with if you take two writers and make something that does not contradict, contradict................
You are acknowledging that Mark and Luke are not in agreement with Matt WHEN fornication is assumed to mean adultery (in that context of 5:32 and 19:9).
Under the 'divorce in betrothal' explanation of the exception clause then there is no disunity between the two sides. That is because the kind of exception clause it becomes under the 'divorce in betrothal' explanation provides NO permission to do what is being discussed.
The two differences in explanation of what the exception clause is talking about make the entire sentence (Matt 5:31,32) to function in two entirely different ways.
But you wouldn't know what I am talking about since you choose to not read the OP.
 
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AVoice

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so when god forgives its not a fresh start, he doesn't truly forgive but holds the offence against you. theres the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. the situation was an example not a reality. i do actually council people and i pray that this advice is never given to anybody going through marriage difficulties.

when the women caught in adultery was taken to Jesus by the legalists. the only one left right with Jesus was the women not the legalists. and he sent her away saying sin no more. i wonder if when Jesus said those without sin cast the first stone. some here would have been stone throwing.
Please slow down and think slowly and carefully.
The forgiveness you are referring to includes the forgiving of the marriage itself. Can a marriage itself be forgiven? Is a marriage itself a sin? Sin is what is forgiven. Holy things, such as entering into the God-ordained institution of marriage, are not forgiven. Or do you have some kind of special authority to designate as a sin what God designates as holy?

Do not blaspheme God by saying a marriage itself can be designated as a sin, and thereby forgiven, in order to get out from under what God says marriage does.
Marriage binds the two parties as one flesh; a very high level of respect pronounced by God over the couple, the same high honour as what Adam and Eve enjoyed.
 
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AVoice

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New International Version
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

New Living Translation
And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."

English Standard Version
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

New American Standard Bible
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And I tell you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

International Standard Version
I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

NET Bible
Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But I say to you, “Whoever divorces his wife apart from adultery and will take another, commits adultery, and whoever will take her who is divorced commits adultery.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I can guarantee that whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than her unfaithfulness is committing adultery if he marries another woman."

Jubilee Bible 2000
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication and shall marry another, commits adultery, and whosoever marries her that is put away commits adultery.

King James 2000 Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her who is put away does commit adultery.

American King James Version
And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her which is put away does commit adultery.

American Standard Version
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
All the versions above that used something other than "fornication" were paraphrasing and not translating when it came to the word equivalent to fornication.
Even if the paraphrasers or translators did not understand the verse, their duty was to faithfully transmit from Greek straight into English. They instead changed it because they thought they were giving the correct interpretation and so thought they were doing God service. In reality they raped the Word of God.
In the first Century they had two kinds of divorces, for fornication and for something done AFTER getting married. The one done for fornication was done BEFORE marriage.
So you deny that there existed a premarital divorce for fornication?
What possible reason can you come up with that that particular premarital divorce was NOT what the exception clause referred to? The OP shows that only when Matt 5:31,32 is read to be understood that the exception clause refers to that premarital divorce, does the sentence function competently. One of the most powerful evidences AGAINST the divorce for adultery explanation of the exception clause is Matt 5:31,32.


In Greek they have a word for adultery (post marital sexual offense)
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They have a word for fornication

They have a word for unfaithfulness

They have a word for immorality.

The Greek word used for the exception clause is porneia, the English equivalent being fornication. The versions you have that used something else are simply wrong.
 
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