A covenant is a promise. Did God cancel His first promise?

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Evmur

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“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. ( before the law)


Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come ( jesus ) to whom the promise was made;


and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The promise isn’t the law it’s the spirit

“that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
excellent
 

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“No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and sews it on an old one.
If he does, he will tear
the new garment as well, and the patch from the new
will not match the old. And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he
does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will spill, and the wineskins
will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins. And no one
after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”
Luke 5:36-39

Nobody except Judaizers, that is.
 

Cameron143

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“No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and sews it on an old one.
If he does, he will tear
the new garment as well, and the patch from the new
will not match the old. And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he
does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will spill, and the wineskins
will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins. And no one
after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”
Luke 5:36-39

Nobody except Judaizers, that is.
The difference between holy, holy, holy and holey, holey, holey.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes Paul’s explaination in Galatians is wonderful I think , as well particularly clear and understandable if we read the entire chapter and let it be an explaination of the things we wonder about

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭
 

Pilgrimshope

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God has the final right to interpret his own words.
amen

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus later interpreting this

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, ( ot was the only scripture at this point ) and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.

And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Aaron56

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No. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 33:14-17, Leviticus 24:8),
You bring up a good point of discussion: words with multiple meanings. Such words exist in the Old and New Testaments.
Eternal is one such word. It can mean "until the end of the age" or "from age to age" or "from age to age for endless ages". It can also define the origin of another thing like saying "southern sandwich". The origin of the sandwich, or at least its character, is derived from a place in the south. "Eternal life" for example, originates in "eternity" and it also possesses the characteristics of eternity: it's a life that was eternally in God and a life that will never pass away.

World is like this. We know that we are to be like God. we are told "God so loved the world" but then we are told "Love not the world". Same word. One, we know to mean people, the other, we know to mean systems.

And here's the catch: in order to know the meaning of the these types of words one must know the One who wrote them. This requires revelation by the spirit in us from the Spirit who wrote the words. A doctorate in etymology will not help you know God. Revelation, the Holy Spirit to man's spirit, is the only way.

For example, if you found a letter written by my wife to me and you had it examined by the most prestigious language professors in the world and they concluded that my wife meant "thus and such" by her letter BUT then I read the letter and I say "No, she does not mean "thus and such", she means "this". Who will you believe? Well, you should believe the one who knows my wife the best: me. I know her idiosyncrasies, her desires, the pattern of her words and so on. No amount of education in language can help you know my
wife.


Where people go wrong with doctrine is that they only know the words and not the One who wrote them. This has cause 1000's of variations of belief to spawn from one book.

That's enough for now.
 

Pilgrimshope

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You bring up a good point of discussion: words with multiple meanings. Such words exist in the Old and New Testaments.
Eternal is one such word. It can mean "until the end of the age" or "from age to age" or "from age to age for endless ages". It can also define the origin of another thing like saying "southern sandwich". The origin of the sandwich, or at least its character, is derived from a place in the south. "Eternal life" for example, originates in "eternity" and it also possesses the characteristics of eternity: it's a life that was eternally in God and a life that will never pass away.

World is like this. We know that we are to be like God. we are told "God so loved the world" but then we are told "Love not the world". Same word. One, we know to mean people, the other, we know to mean systems.

And here's the catch: in order to know the meaning of the these types of words one must know the One who wrote them. This requires revelation by the spirit in us from the Spirit who wrote the words. A doctorate in etymology will not help you know God. Revelation, the Holy Spirit to man's spirit, is the only way.

For example, if you found a letter written by my wife to me and you had it examined by the most prestigious language professors in the world and they concluded that my wife meant "thus and such" by her letter BUT then I read the letter and I say "No, she does not mean "thus and such", she means "this". Who will you believe? Well, you should believe the one who knows my wife the best: me. I know her idiosyncrasies, her desires, the pattern of her words and so on. No amount of education in language can help you know my wife.

That's enough for now.
The two shall be one flesh
 

Aaron56

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The two shall be one flesh
Amen!

A certain man had his flesh opened and the woman taken out of the opening.
Another Man had His flesh opened to insert the woman back into Him.

In the later we see the "new and living way He opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh".
 

Pilgrimshope

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Amen!

A certain man had his flesh opened and the woman taken out of the opening.
Another Man had His flesh opened to insert the woman back into Him.

In the later we see the "new and living way He opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh".
Of man came woman and of women come men
 

Cameron143

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AH --But Wait-------

God the Father and God the Son ARE ONE ------

The Isaiah 9 reference is a reference to the Son, and not the Father. But it does actually make the point of how They are One. But before explaining, do you believe God is Trinity?
 

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2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I do not think you get it.....The First Covenant was "The Promise to Abraham" not the Law which Gal 3 tells us was added 430 years after "The Promise". So, why did Paul use "New Covenant" when talking unto the Jews? Because all they understood was "THE SHADOW" the Law of Moses which pointed unto The Promise, that was what all the Sacrifices pointed unto !! So, to them it was a different or New Covenant, but in reality the Promise of Jesus was the Original Covenant. Here is what made iy somewhat new, it CAME TO PASS, now 24/7/365 we had a High Priest in heaven in Jesus and access to forgiveness at any time via the blood of Jesus. So, the only real difference was, on the other side of the cross the Promise was FULFILLED. The Law was only a Schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ Jesus. Once the promise comes, the schoolmaster is no longer needed read Gal 3, its very, very clear.
It’s hard to read and really hear Galatians 3 for some because of this

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I’m convinced what Moses said is Gods word spoken to me ….it’s going to be really hard for me to hear what God is really saying
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Scripture tells us in Hebrews 8:13: By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. Does this mean that God has broken his first promise?
Nope. it means that he FULFILLED it in Jesus.
Everything in the OLD TESTAMENT is a TYPE of something in the NEW TESTAMENT.
When the temple vale was torn in two, that was THE END of the Old Covenant
 

Cameron143

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Agree. So one substance, but different persons.
My only point is that there was a covenant made between God and Israel. In like manner, there was a covenant made between God the Father and God the Son. God the Father didn't covenant with God the Father.

As far as Jesus being eternal Father, it doesn't mean that He is at one time the Father and at another the Son. It simply means that as God the Father exercises fatherly attributes towards people, so too does Jesus. A good example is when He spoke of how He would have gathered Israel under His wings as a hen does her chicks.