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Readers pay close attention: this is a classic side step of David, what I see continually. in his posts. He posts scriptures AS IF they teach what He imagines - but they don't. I
David has an overactive imagination. And yes, you are correct. He still does not understand what the Rapture is about. But that is not because the doctrine has not been explained to him.
 

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you mistake tribulation which comes from the world for God's wrath, I hope we are all agreed that we are saved from God's wrath.
Many people don't understand this in full, I didn't for 30 plus years. TROUBLES simply means TROUBLES !!

All time on this earth is TROUBLES Jesus stated in John 16:33. So, the TROUBLES via any human living on this earth at all times, because Satan is the god of this evil world. The 70th week tribulation is thus a certain week of 7 years designed to get Israel to repent. God's Wrath against mankind thus HAS TO HAPPEN at the same time because Satan will rule until Jesus' Second Coming after the Beasts 42 month rule, so the 70th week troubles are going on while God's Wrath falls over the exact same 42 month time frame.

Both will happen at the same time since Satan rules until Jesus returns to lock him up, thus this world will have troubles AND God's Wrath fir the last 42 months, thus it will be the greatest ever troubles seen on this earth by men.
 

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Many people don't understand this in full, I didn't for 30 plus years. TROUBLES simply means TROUBLES !!

All time on this earth is TROUBLES Jesus stated in John 16:33. So, the TROUBLES via any human living on this earth at all times, because Satan is the god of this evil world. The 70th week tribulation is thus a certain week of 7 years designed to get Israel to repent. God's Wrath against mankind thus HAS TO HAPPEN at the same time because Satan will rule until Jesus' Second Coming after the Beasts 42 month rule, so the 70th week troubles are going on while God's Wrath falls over the exact same 42 month time frame.

Both will happen at the same time since Satan rules until Jesus returns to lock him up, thus this world will have troubles AND God's Wrath fir the last 42 months, thus it will be the greatest ever troubles seen on this earth by men.
The Great Tribulation is a term derived from Jeremiah 30 vs 7-8
Alas that day is so great there is none like it. it is even the time of Jacob's trouble .... BUT

BUT he shall be saved out of it ... people overlook that part, everybody is expecting them Jews are going to cop it again but Jeremiah clearly teaches that Israel is to be at rest at that time and none shall make him afraid. How so?

It will be that Israel is in a pact with the Antichrist during the first 3 1/2 years of his world rule, The church must not expect that Israel will be in any way sympathetic to them while Antichrist is rampaging against everything god so-called and everything worshipped as God.

After the 3 1/2 years after the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem Antichrist will break his pact and invade Israel with his world army and meet his end there.

Why then is it called "the time of Jacob's trouble" seeing that they are saved out of it and are at rest? it is called the time of Jacob's trouble because it is the time when God is going to trouble the world on behalf of the way the world has treated the Jews during their long diaspora. It is also known in the OT as the time of VINDICATION for the Jews, God is going to vindicate them ... oh yes, you never heard that before. The church is in the world and has even played a part in the persecution which the Jews have suffered down through the centuries. THAT is why the church will go through that first half of the great tribulation.

For confirmation you may read Daniel 12 speaking about the time of trouble as never has been since the world began and see that at that time shall Michael the great cherub who has the care of Israel will stand up to deliver the Jews. So read also Isaiah and Ezekiel and the other prophets.
 

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Many people don't understand this in full, I didn't for 30 plus years. TROUBLES simply means TROUBLES !!

All time on this earth is TROUBLES Jesus stated in John 16:33. So, the TROUBLES via any human living on this earth at all times, because Satan is the god of this evil world. The 70th week tribulation is thus a certain week of 7 years designed to get Israel to repent. God's Wrath against mankind thus HAS TO HAPPEN at the same time because Satan will rule until Jesus' Second Coming after the Beasts 42 month rule, so the 70th week troubles are going on while God's Wrath falls over the exact same 42 month time frame.

Both will happen at the same time since Satan rules until Jesus returns to lock him up, thus this world will have troubles AND God's Wrath fir the last 42 months, thus it will be the greatest ever troubles seen on this earth by men.
I agree in part, but would like to point out something: at the midpoint of the week, the division point, when the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is god, the 7th trumpet will sound to mark that time in heaven and perhaps on earth. ALSO at the 7th trumpet, a property closing will take place in the courtroom of heaven: the kingdoms of the world will be stripped from Satan and given to Jesus Christ, the rightful owner. WHY right here at this point in time? We can only guess because John does not tell us. My guess is, the 6000 years given to man to rule earth will be up. Adam's lease will expire. Suddenly Satan will be found to have NO LEGAL HOLD to rule earth. So following the 7th trumpet, Michael goes to war and drives Satan down from the heavenly realms around earth. I think we might say, Satan loses his wings.

You are absolutely correct: God begins the Day of His wrath before the 70th week. This places the 70th week INSIDE the Day of the Lord and His wrath, so every judgment event in the Week will come with God's wrath. Therefore, God's wrath and Satan's wrath come at the same time. Satan has wrath because he knows his time is short, and God has wrath to judge the world.

Someone might wonder, how then does Satan via the Beast get 42 months if the world has been given to Jesus Christ? It is very simple: God ALLOWS Satan those 42 months to fulfill His purposes in bringing Israel to the point of helplessness. God will completely shatter their power (their IDF) and bring them to the point where they have NO HOPE LEFT unless God delivers them.
 

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The Great Tribulation is a term derived from Jeremiah 30 vs 7-8
Alas that day is so great there is none like it. it is even the time of Jacob's trouble .... BUT

BUT he shall be saved out of it ... people overlook that part, everybody is expecting them Jews are going to cop it again but Jeremiah clearly teaches that Israel is to be at rest at that time and none shall make him afraid. How so?

It will be that Israel is in a pact with the Antichrist during the first 3 1/2 years of his world rule, The church must not expect that Israel will be in any way sympathetic to them while Antichrist is rampaging against everything god so-called and everything worshipped as God.

After the 3 1/2 years after the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem Antichrist will break his pact and invade Israel with his world army and meet his end there.

Why then is it called "the time of Jacob's trouble" seeing that they are saved out of it and are at rest? it is called the time of Jacob's trouble because it is the time when God is going to trouble the world on behalf of the way the world has treated the Jews during their long diaspora. It is also known in the OT as the time of VINDICATION for the Jews, God is going to vindicate them ... oh yes, you never heard that before. The church is in the world and has even played a part in the persecution which the Jews have suffered down through the centuries. THAT is why the church will go through that first half of the great tribulation.

For confirmation you may read Daniel 12 speaking about the time of trouble as never has been since the world began and see that at that time shall Michael the great cherub who has the care of Israel will stand up to deliver the Jews. So read also Isaiah and Ezekiel and the other prophets.
It is Jacob's trouble because Jacob had to work an EXTRA 7 years for the woman He loved, due to deceit on the part of the Father in law. And the 70th week will be 7 years of trouble.
 

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If my faith commits me to die I will die. This is written in the Scriptures. There is no false hope of rapture, just hope for Grace in the Eyes of God.
You can ignore 1 Thes. 4 & 5, and make believe Luke did not write of an escape plan. That is your choice. But the truth of scripture is still there for you to believe. Paul wrote of the catching up and it surely will take place. Luke wrote of a way to escape what is coming - the time of God's wrath poured out. If you ignore God's escape, that is your doing, not God's.
 

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The Great Tribulation is a term derived from Jeremiah 30 vs 7-8
Alas that day is so great there is none like it. it is even the time of Jacob's trouble .... BUT

BUT he shall be saved out of it ... people overlook that part, everybody is expecting them Jews are going to cop it again but Jeremiah clearly teaches that Israel is to be at rest at that time and none shall make him afraid. How so?
No, most people understand this, Zechariah 13:8-9 tells us that 1/3 of the Jews repents during the 70th week, just before the coming day of the Lord (God's Wrath), and we know God protects these 3-5 million Jews in the Petra/Bozrah area for 1260 days. But you manage to get everything twisted via the end times. The "rest" you speak of is not about the agreement with the European Union (where the Anti-Christ comes from) per se but about the Abraham Accords which allowed Israel to come to peace agreements with her IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS thus the moniker that Israel will live in "UNWALLED VILIAGES" comes to pass because during the Gog and Magog War where Russia, Iran and Turkey (along with few African token nations) comes against Israel, we notice that NOT ONE of Israel's immediate neighbors join in with that War against Israel, thus the prophesy that she lives in UNWALLED VILIAGES was brought to pass by those agreements, not the agreements with the E.U. and Anti-Christ. So, you are conflating two different wars.

It will be that Israel is in a pact with the Antichrist during the first 3 1/2 years of his world rule, The church must not expect that Israel will be in any way sympathetic to them while Antichrist is rampaging against everything god so-called and everything worshipped as God.

After the 3 1/2 years after the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem Antichrist will break his pact and invade Israel with his world army and meet his end there.
1.) The Anti-Christ doesn't Go FORTH CONQUERING until the middle of the week, so there is no WORLD RULE as you assume, that comes after the 3.5 years of FAKE PEACE (which is different from the UNWALLED VILIGES/rest you are citing). Conflating issues leads of course to confusion. After the Anti-Christ enters into his "Agreements" (Covenant in Hebrew simply means Agreement) with not only Israel, but THE MANY (Dan. 8:25 he DESTROYS MANY and Dan. 9:27 he enters into agreements with MANY not just Israel) who are everyone in the Mediterranean Sea Region, now if you want t see these agreements google European Neighborhood Policy, the E.U. currently has 7 year agreements with Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Morocco, Libya and Tunisia ..............LINK BELOW............... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Neighbourhood_Policy

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Thus what you and many others "ASSUME" is an Agreement with Israel is really an Agreement with MANY which includes Israel, thus when he GOES FORTH as Rev. 6 describes as the White (Conquering) Horse, he conquers this region above, just like all of the other 6 Beasts did, NOTICE they all arise out of the [Mediterranean] Sea, so all of these Bears are Regional Powers from Egypt, to Babylon to Rome to the coming Anti-Christ who REBIRTHS the Old Fourth Beast by conquering the same areas Rome did, SEE MAP BELOW, look at Papa Rome notice they look exactly alike when the E.U. Conquers all of North Africa and Israel? (plus Syria, Lebanon and Jordan of course)


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Greece was more eastern centric in nature, it never ruled over every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, but Rome an her Revived Son does, thus in Dan. 7:7-8 we know know why the 10 Horns (Europe) are said to arise out of the Fourth Beats Head, is the Fourth Beasts Son via the ABOVE MAP !! SEE Greece below:

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Greece as we see only covered parts of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, unlike Rome AND the coming Anti-Christ, as we can clearly see in Dan. 11:40-43, he conquers Israel and ALL of North Africa, it says so very clearly !!

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Amazing. Simply amazing. Have you spent time studying Paul's classic rapture passage? Have you read Revelation over several times?

Where you miss it (almost in every point):
We are approaching the end of this age, so just common sense might tell you that things will be different.
WHO is Jesus talking to in Matthew 10? The Gentile church of today was still a mystery hidden in the Father then. He was talking to the JEWS. What is "the end" He was talking about? The day of Jesus coming to Armageddon. The Jews will have to "endure to the end" of the 70th week that Daniel declares is for HIS people. WHY? What is God's purpose in the 70th week or time of Jacob's trouble? Daniel tells us in chapter 12: God's plan is to "completely shatter" the power of the Jews. Today they trust in their IDF. God is going to use the nations of the world to DESTROY their IDF, to get them to the place where they have NO HOPE except or unless their Messiah comes - and come He will!

The point is, where is the church in all this? GOD HAS NO PURPOSE for the church in the 70th week of DANIEL.

Did you not read in 1 Thes. 4 & 5 that God is not going to be setting any appointments for His bride with His wrath?
"God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, "
HOW? HOW do we obtain salvation? We get raptured out! What did Paul write next? "WE should live together with Him. HOW? By way of the rapture.
hmm so every generation that suffers and dies and then enters the kingdom why aren’t they raptured ? Has it already happened ? What about all the suffering and martyrdom of the past two thousand years ? Why weren’t they raptured to save then when Nero burned them alive and had then crucified ? Or thrown to lions ? Eaten by dogs ?

why aren’t the 150,000 Christian prisoners in. North Korea bekng raptured rather than persecuted and starved ?

it doesn’t even make any sense lol whose getting raptured ? If you die in fifty years and the “ rapture “ hasn’t happened what of you then ?

if there was such a thing as a rapture it can only be to the very last generation of Christians right ? Or is this magic rapture something baker I guess each generation ? Are there many magical raptures of Christians when we suffer ?

who and when is supposed to be magically raptured ? Why does every generation have so much suffering for Christians all Over the world ? When is this magical rapture going to save them ?

I think you are way off this world is about enduring in your faith in Christ no matter what may come some generations and places in the world free great and much tribulation even now today it’s happening other nations are fat and wealthy and have constitutions so there’re isn’t as much persecution.

this world is about finding faith in Christ and living until the last day in that faith and then Being saved from death into his eternal Heavenly kingdom

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭14:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some people suffer a lot for faith others in more civilized nations don’t. But when is the magical rapture gonna save all the ones suffering ? Why not the early church that was slaughtered why weren’t they raptured ?

seems an I be thinking that someone wanted to sell Books years ago came up with to Me but that’s just because scripture doesn’t support a pre trib magical rapture that delivers from tribulations in this world

it delivers us from the wrath upon mankind’s sin that comes to a soul when we die and end up in hell this world people suffered and will suffer from generation to generation there will
Be persecutions in various nations always for Christians and jews also

the only people ever who are going to be taken up in a “ rapture “ is when Jesus returns himself to Gather them after the tribulations end after the dead are raised then they who are still alive in the last day ll Be caught up to Meet them all in the air

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭

that’s the last day of earth everyone else will experience this

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

whatever people still believe on the last day will be taken up into the air everyone else is doomed.

but Gods wrath is about the lake of fire it’s different from tribulations that Christians go through you’ve got tribulation mixed up with Gods wrath. In revelation it’s not until the vials that Christians are taken up they are on earth through all the wars on earth between good and evil. Until heist returns we live by faith and endure and we are looking to wha the after this lifetime we see we’re saved from what’s after
 

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It will be that Israel is in a pact with the Antichrist during the first 3 1/2 years of his world rule, The church must not expect that Israel will be in any way sympathetic to them while Antichrist is rampaging against everything god so-called and everything worshipped as God.

After the 3 1/2 years after the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem Antichrist will break his pact and invade Israel with his world army and meet his end there.
2.) The Church will not be on this earth, the Remnant Church (Rev. 12:17) will be, they are the Martyrs seen in the 6th Seal and in Rev. 12 whom the Dragon/Anti-Christ goes after. The Temple is built at some point 9n time, but not AFTER the 3.5 years of Peace because the SACRIFICE (Jesus Worship) is taken away (FORBIDEN) at the 1290 which is 30 days BEFORE the 1260 middle of the week. So, the Agreements in the first half of the 70th week may lead to the Temple being rebuilt, as in Israel, give up your Nukes and we will let you guts joining the E.U. and we will be unto you guys as Hawaii is to the United States, WE(E.U.) will be your protector, thus you can't have Nukes, this MUST HAPPEN, because no one can currently conquer Israel as long as she has Nukes, especially not any Muslim Nations, and thus she will NEVER make an Agreement with a Muslim leader, it will be an E.U. President who promises peace to all in the region, not just Israel, but he demands Israel's Nukes be surrendered before she can became an E.U. Member State. Then, just after the Asteroid Strike brings God's Wrath (Rev. 8 first four trumpet judgments), this man and the E.U. goes forth conquering Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. Not just Israel.

3.) Via Rev. 8 we see that 1/3 of the world is ravaged and burning, thus the notion that this Anti-Christ conquers the WHOLE WORLD is just a false understanding, he conquers the WHOLE LAND/Earth being spoken about, and who was the 7 Heads and 10 Horns about? Europe and the Mediterranean Sea Region. Nebuchadnezzar was said to rule ALL MEN and Alexander the Great was said t conquer ALL THE EARTH, but we know it is speaking of the Mediterranean Sea Region LAND/Earth not the whole world. Dan. 2 proves this. WANT PROOF?

Dan. 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom(Alexander the Great) of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

So, we know neither one of these means ALL MEN living on earth nor ALL THE LAND of Earth, but instead is referring to all the land and men being spoken of in the Mediterranean Sea Region. Thus the end time is also about the exact same Landmass, the 1/3 of the world set ablaze will take out most of the Pacific Realm, the USA and most of the nations living on the Pacific Realm will get tsunamis that will harm their nations, rendering them crippled, and some nations closer to the impact (USA/Mexico/Canada) will be mostly wiped out in all reality. So, you are pretty much wrong on everything brother all because you CONFLATE the Wars and don't understand the timings of the end time events and the facts that 1/3 of the world has been destroyed, the Anti-Christ doesn't have to conquer the WHOL WORLD, God's Wrath destroys 1/3 of it, and the Pre Anti-Christ, Gog and Magog war will destroy the Russian, Iranian and Turkish Armies via God Himself destroying them on the Mount of Israel. So, this whole "The Anti-Christ Conquers the Whole World" is just a bad understanding of all the facts !!

Why then is it called "the time of Jacob's trouble" seeing that they are saved out of it and are at rest? it is called the time of Jacob's trouble because it is the time when God is going to trouble the world on behalf of the way the world has treated the Jews during their long diaspora. It is also known in the OT as the time of VINDICATION for the Jews, God is going to vindicate them ... oh yes, you never heard that before. The church is in the world and has even played a part in the persecution which the Jews have suffered down through the centuries. THAT is why the church will go through that first half of the great tribulation.

For confirmation you may read Daniel 12 speaking about the time of trouble as never has been since the world began and see that at that time shall Michael the great cherub who has the care of Israel will stand up to deliver the Jews. So read also Isaiah and Ezekiel and the other prophets.
They are saved out of it because the 1/3 REPENT, the 2/3 who do not repent will perish.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them(God protects the 1/3 who REPENT for 1260 days in the Wilderness of the Petra/Bozrah area) as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

It is called Jacob's Troubles because God placed a 70 week Judgment against Israel in order to get Israel to repent, it was originally 70 years via Jeremiah the Prophets prophecy, but whilst Daniel (Dan. 9:1-21) was reading the book of Jeremiah, Gabriel came and told him because of Israel's continued sin that her judgment was now timed by 7 thus it was 70 x 7 or 490 years of Judgment which would only cease when Israel finally repents. (during the 70th week). They are not at rest, the REST you are referring unto is where Israel lies in "UNWALLED VILIAGES" and thus are at peace just before or just after the Rapture when the Gog and Magog War shows that Israel's IMMEDIATE neighbors are not at war with her. You are taking this UNWALLED PEACE with her surrounding neighbors via the Gog and Magog war and extrapolating that onto the End Time Anti-Christ and Israel, and that brother is an error, they do indeed have an AGREEMENT with he E.U. but so dos all of the MANY Nations in the whole region. They don't enter into an Agreement with a known Anti-Christ, its with the E.U. who is led by this man, so Israel NEVER ACCEPT a man as their Messianic Figure as a lot of people try to say, that is just not the case. This man gets not only Israel but the WHOLE Mediterranean Sea Region to let down their guard, then he pounces on them when this asteroid (God's Wrath) hits just off of the California Coastline (See Apophis) and distracts everyone who are probably trying to help their fellow men of the earth as most humanitarians would do in such a crises.

So, Jacob's Troubles is the continuation of God's Judgment meant to bring Israel unto repentance, and we know Israel never repented after Jesus came and thus they never accepted Christ Jesus as their Messiah, so God made them as unto Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years, and thus Israel MUST REPENT as Dan. 9:24-27 clearly says before the 70th week can end, thus they accept Christ Jesus as their Messiah just before the coming DOTL as both Zechariah 13:8-9 an d Malachi 4:5-6 both say. Then God Himself protects those 1/3 who repents for 1260 days.

So, Jacob's troubles describes the troubles that bring the 1/3 unto "Repentance" BUT....Also the troubles that see 2/3 of the Jews killed by the Anti-Christ because they refused to repent and believe the warnings of Elijah and Moses who are the Two-witnesses, thus they will be CUT-OFF and die, those are TROUBLEES for Israel also, if 2/3 of Israel are killed, I am here to tell you that brother is seen as TROUBLES by God, and by many of their kinfolks who did repent, knowing what their loved ones must be going through will be sheer anguish. If you were protected but your first cousins and sisters were not, you would consider that as TROUBLES just as I would, so these TROUBLES are described as Jacob's troubles because God has given them the bible which is about them, and thus He tells them about an END TIMES TROUBLES they will face. The 1/3 will be protected and the 2/3 will not because they refused to heed God's warnings, but even those whom God protects in the Wilderness face 3.5 years of isolation, with no Air Conditioning, knowing their loved ones are being killed, so they also are in TROUBLES, it will not be gravy train knowing your loved ones are dying, and living in the wild.

God Himself caused the Diaspora because Israel refused to repent. Of course Satan has continually tried to kill the Jews off and he tried to with Hitler also, but the Christian Church is now in heaven, not on this earth, so the coming Anti-Christ Beast and Satan will not have much resistance at that point in time. God Himself says he will only save Israel because of His own promises unto Abraham, or "FOR MY NAMES SAKE" and that is why God saves Israel and all of us, He loves us more than we all deserve tbh. Amen.

I did an Exegesis on Daniel 11 and 12, it names every king in Dan. 11 and it shows what happens via the 1260, 1290 and 1335.
 

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No, most people understand this, Zechariah 13:8-9 tells us that 1/3 of the Jews repents during the 70th week, just before the coming day of the Lord (God's Wrath), and we know God protects these 3-5 million Jews in the Petra/Bozrah area for 1260 days. But you manage to get everything twisted via the end times. The "rest" you speak of is not about the agreement with the European Union (where the Anti-Christ comes from) per se but about the Abraham Accords which allowed Israel to come to peace agreements with her IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS thus the moniker that Israel will live in "UNWALLED VILIAGES" comes to pass because during the Gog and Magog War where Russia, Iran and Turkey (along with few African token nations) comes against Israel, we notice that NOT ONE of Israel's immediate neighbors join in with that War against Israel, thus the prophesy that she lives in UNWALLED VILIAGES was brought to pass by those agreements, not the agreements with the E.U. and Anti-Christ. So, you are conflating two different wars.



1.) The Anti-Christ doesn't Go FORTH CONQUERING until the middle of the week, so there is no WORLD RULE as you assume, that comes after the 3.5 years of FAKE PEACE (which is different from the UNWALLED VILIGES/rest you are citing). Conflating issues leads of course to confusion. After the Anti-Christ enters into his "Agreements" (Covenant in Hebrew simply means Agreement) with not only Israel, but THE MANY (Dan. 8:25 he DESTROYS MANY and Dan. 9:27 he enters into agreements with MANY not just Israel) who are everyone in the Mediterranean Sea Region, now if you want t see these agreements google European Neighborhood Policy, the E.U. currently has 7 year agreements with Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Morocco, Libya and Tunisia ..............LINK BELOW............... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Neighbourhood_Policy

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Thus what you and many others "ASSUME" is an Agreement with Israel is really an Agreement with MANY which includes Israel, thus when he GOES FORTH as Rev. 6 describes as the White (Conquering) Horse, he conquers this region above, just like all of the other 6 Beasts did, NOTICE they all arise out of the [Mediterranean] Sea, so all of these Bears are Regional Powers from Egypt, to Babylon to Rome to the coming Anti-Christ who REBIRTHS the Old Fourth Beast by conquering the same areas Rome did, SEE MAP BELOW, look at Papa Rome notice they look exactly alike when the E.U. Conquers all of North Africa and Israel? (plus Syria, Lebanon and Jordan of course)


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Greece was more eastern centric in nature, it never ruled over every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, but Rome an her Revived Son does, thus in Dan. 7:7-8 we know know why the 10 Horns (Europe) are said to arise out of the Fourth Beats Head, is the Fourth Beasts Son via the ABOVE MAP !! SEE Greece below:

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Greece as we see only covered parts of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, unlike Rome AND the coming Anti-Christ, as we can clearly see in Dan. 11:40-43, he conquers Israel and ALL of North Africa, it says so very clearly !!

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Zechariah 13-8=9 are events which took place in Christ's time and not long after, it's as plain as the nose on yer face.

Awake O sword against My Shepherd
against the man who stands next to Me says the Lord of hosts
strike the Shepherd that the sheep may be scattered
I will turn My hand against the little ones
in the whole land says the Lord two thirds shall be cut off and perish

When Jesus was arrested He said this was to fulfil this very prophecy.

To find out what God is going to do in the end-times we go to Zechariah chapter 14.

Behold a day of the Lord is coming when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you.
For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished, half of the city will go into exile but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN

Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations as when He fights on the day of battle.

This prophecy takes place after the 1, 000 years reign.
 
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Why do you call it a "false hope"? If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God, then the hope of the Rapture is as much a reality as the hope of the Resurrection. Indeed it is the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints which God has promised.
Rapture - if you mean the emotional state when one is gifted with a Wisdom of God or being Resurrected. Yes, it is written. If it means anything else that takes away from the God, Christ or the Scriptures, then no. Rapture theology is unScriptural. Literally, by faithful definition, false.
 
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You can ignore 1 Thes. 4 & 5, and make believe Luke did not write of an escape plan. That is your choice. But the truth of scripture is still there for you to believe. Paul wrote of the catching up and it surely will take place. Luke wrote of a way to escape what is coming - the time of God's wrath poured out. If you ignore God's escape, that is your doing, not God's.
Consider this example when Peter out of love chided Jesus not to talk of his duty.

Matt 16:21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

We all have a duty to our master.
 

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Rapture - if you mean the emotional state when one is gifted with a Wisdom of God or being Resurrected. Yes, it is written. If it means anything else that takes away from the God, Christ or the Scriptures, then no. Rapture theology is unScriptural. Literally, by faithful definition, false.
You do believe we are to meet the returning Lord Jesus in the air?
 

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I agree in part, but would like to point out something: at the midpoint of the week, the division point, when the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is god, the 7th trumpet will sound to mark that time in heaven and perhaps on earth.
You get a few things wrong here, one is really off, the other is a mistake "everyone else makes also".

Firstly, Paul was called to take the Gospel unto the Gentile masses, not to be a Prophet per se or a prophecy interpreter, (like many on here today, LOL) and thus what he espouses about the Man of Sin entering the temple and saying he is god is not backed up by Jesus in Matt. 24:15-7 nor Jesus (Man in Linen) in Dan. chapter 12, nor by John the Revelator in his book of Revelations, all three seem to point to AN IMAGE placed by the False Prophet, not understanding this causes people to misunderstand the TIMING of all end time things.

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet(See Dan.12), stand in the holy place, {whoso readeth, let him understand} 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.( UNTIL WHAT?) 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. ( until what? )

In verse 8 we get the QUESTION by Daniel unto the Man in Linen (Jesus) that the above two answers tell us the whole UNTIL WHAT UNDERSTANDING !! Its the exact same question that the angel asked in verse 6 See Below:

Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

Then Jesus answers in verse 6 and explains HOW LONG it will be before all of the wonders Daniel was just shown in Daniel 11:36-45 and probably also in Dan. 12:1-2 (men added the chapter breaks) COMES TO AN END which we now know happens with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, this can't be debated. So, the next verse explains how this Prophesy is t be UNWRAPPED in verse 11 and 12 later on via Jesus' answer in verse 7 BELOW: Where we get the 1260 Middle of the week from, why people want to fudge the 1290 into the "Middle of the week" also tells me most people are willing to fudge things to make their understands fit, I AM NOT, I am like a dog on a bone !!

Dan. 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen(Jesus), which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;(1260 days) and when he(Anti-Christ as seen in Dan. 11:36-45) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. (So, the Anti-Christ will Conquer Israel and rule over them for 1260 days, THEN Jesus shows up to END ALL THESE WONDERS Daniel had been shown.)

So, we have the TEMPLATE here for verses 11 and 12, BUT we have people pointig t Paul sayi g the AoD is a man who shows up in the temple at the AoD and defiles it, but Jesus doesn't say this in Matt. 24:15, he calls it THAT WHICH OUGHT NOT STAND in the Temple (not HE who ought not stand). Then in Rev. 13 we see the 2nd Beast places gets he people to build an IMAGE of the First Beast and to place it in the temple of God.

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

So, now the grand finale, the understanding of Daniel 11:12-13 that tells us the 1290 is not nor can be the soon to come Anti-Christ, but is instead the False Prophet, as shown in Rev. 13, placing the IMAGE (AoD) after he stops the Daily Sacrifice, which by this time will be Jesus Worship, because the Jews repent just before the coming Day of the Lord according to Zechariah 13:8-9 and Malachi 4:5-6.

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(Jesus worship is FORBIDDEN by the False Prophet who is a Jewish High Priest), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, (its an IMAGE) there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(Until all these wonders end at the SECOND COMING).

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Again, some event happens 1335 days before ALL THESE WONDERS END, at the Second Coming of Jesus, and its a BLESSING.)

So, isn't 1290 days BEFORE the Second Coming 30 days BEFORE the 1260 where the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel and Jerusalem? Of course it is, the template to the riddle is rightly discerned by most everyone in verse 7, but then they don't understand verses 11 and 12 because, I think most are confused by Paul's mention of what will go down and he is in error, it is not a MAN Jesus says in Matt. 24:15 THAT which out not to stand not HE which ought not to be in the holy of holies. Rev. 13 says the False Prophet places a IMAGE of the Beast and here in Dan. chapter 12 Jesus is explaining what ENDS ALL THESE THINGS OR WONDERS (The Anti-Christs rule as seen in Dan. 11:36-45) and thus the 1335 comes FIRST the 1290 come NEXT and the 1260 come in the middle of the week, then we gets God's Wrath for 1260 days and the Anti-Christ also gets to rule for 1260 days as the Beast over Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. WHY? Because Jesus only shows up 1260 days later, thus he will be in charge under Satan who gives him hos power, until he is killed by Jesus and Satan is locked in the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

So, in what way and order do these events happen?

The 1335 is the Two-witnesses showing up to do their jobs, turn Israel back unto God as see in Malachi 4:5-6 and Zechariah 13:8-9 JUST BEFORE the 1260 (DOTL). Thus the Two-witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God 75 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel/Jerusalem, thus they show up 1335 days before Jesus ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS at his Second Coming, Amen.

The 1290 is a rogue Jewish High Priest (False Prophet) who STOPS Jesus Worship (takes away THE REAL SACRFICE as in the worshiping of Jesus by the Jews who repented as seen in Zechariah 13:8-9) and then places an IMAGE of the Beast (Little Horn or E.U. President) in the temple of God, thereby defiling that which was only made holy when the Jews finally repented and accepted Jesus as their Messiah.

The 1260 is the Anti-Christ, 30 days after the ABOVE 1290, Conquering Israel and ruling them for 1260 days, then Jesus shows up to end ALL THESE WONDERS Daniel was shown in Dan. 11:36-45.

As per the 7th Trump, that happens 75 days before Jesus returns, because the Two-witnesses show up 75 dats (1335) before the Beast conquers Israel (1260) thus they MUST DIE 75 das before the Beast dies at Jesus' Second Coming and Rev. 11 says they die at the 2nd Woe just before the 3rd Woe which is the 7th Trump.
 

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ALSO at the 7th trumpet, a property closing will take place in the courtroom of heaven: the kingdoms of the world will be stripped from Satan and given to Jesus Christ, the rightful owner. WHY right here at this point in time? We can only guess because John does not tell us. My guess is, the 6000 years given to man to rule earth will be up. Adam's lease will expire. Suddenly Satan will be found to have NO LEGAL HOLD to rule earth. So following the 7th trumpet, Michael goes to war and drives Satan down from the heavenly realms around earth. I think we might say, Satan loses his wings.

You are absolutely correct: God begins the Day of His wrath before the 70th week. This places the 70th week INSIDE the Day of the Lord and His wrath, so every judgment event in the Week will come with God's wrath. Therefore, God's wrath and Satan's wrath come at the same time. Satan has wrath because he knows his time is short, and God has wrath to judge the world.

Someone might wonder, how then does Satan via the Beast get 42 months if the world has been given to Jesus Christ? It is very simple: God ALLOWS Satan those 42 months to fulfill His purposes in bringing Israel to the point of helplessness. God will completely shatter their power (their IDF) and bring them to the point where they have NO HOPE LEFT unless God delivers them.
Now via the above post you can see why I separated your post here, all of the rest of your post is out of sorts because you get the understanding of the timing all wrong, but the 7th Trump being in the middle of the week is just not even a mistake via this misconception of yours, this is a DRASTIC MISCALCULATION, the 7th Trump is blown and that is the 3rd Woe which is the 7 Vials. Rev. 8:13 tells us CLEARLY that the last three Trumps are the 3 Woes, thus the 7th Trump doesn't happen in the middle of the week, it happens 75 dats before Jesus returns.

I will still go over some of this but will nit repeat anything answered by my above post, to much redundancy is bad.

Jesus takes over at the Second Coming, Satan is licked up there, Babylon FALLS THERE (Rev. 16:19 says so). Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Chapter, Rev. 16 is a REAL TIME Judgment chapter. The rest is you guessing, as you clearly admit.

I never said God begins His Wrath BEFORE the 70th week, I have no idea where you got that from, please enlighten me on how you deduced that from my other post, thanks.

The 70th week is not inside the Day of the Lord, it's the other way around, the Day of the Lord (last 1260 days) is inside the 70th week. 2520 can't be inside 1260 but 1260 can be inside 2520. Its just basic math brother. Maybe that is what you meant but got it all twisted around with your text.

Satan is cast down for the last 1260 days and God's Wrath lasts 1260 days, this more or less describes Satan's futile mission because Satan has been trying to kill the Jews and take us ALL TO HELL for 3000 years !! Catch my drift? LOL I see this more or less describing his frustration, he gets so angry that he REALLY, REALLY, REALLY tries to kill all the Jews, LOL, as if he didn't do that via Antiochus Epiphanes and Hitler.

Jesus takes over after he returns, not before, most who do not understand the Parenthetical style of much of the book of Revelation get TWISTED UP via the timing of the book. Rev. 8, 9 and 16......(15&16 should be one chapter just as Rev. 8 is ONE CHAPTER where we see the Angels READY the Trumps then DELIVER THEM, but in Rev. 15 we see the Angels READY the Vials but we see them DELIVERED in Rev. 16, that is why I say t is really ONE CHAPTER, later divided by men).......so, back to the point, Rev. 8, 9 and 16 are The Judgment Chapters, Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and mot of 19 are Parenthetical Citation chapters which describes events going on during the 42 months of God's Wrath as seen in Rev. chapters 8, 9 and 16.
 

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Thanks. I'll learn from the Scriptures not fables.
You actually know nothing sir. You sit here and look at this vast understanding God has given me over 35 years of teaching the Gospel, and you reject everything except what you think the bible says, God taught you none of that, Satan whispers to Peter, FIGHT....When Jesus told him that his kingdom was not of this world, likewise, Satan whispers lies to anyone who will receive them, he tried lying to Jesus, but Jesus used the holy word against him, you don't understand the holy word, you understand your version.

The Holy Spirit (which is God) told me long ago that stubborn men can never hear his voice because He can't get past Satan's lies. In other words if people are so proud they can never be wrong, God really and truly can't ever teach them very much. That is why God choose BABES for disciples instead of LEARNED MEN like the Pharisees.
 
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You actually know nothing sir. You sit here and look at this vast understanding God has given me over 35 years of teaching the Gospel, and you reject everything except what you think the bible says, God taught you none of that, Satan whispers to Peter, FIGHT....When Jesus told him that his kingdom was not of this world, likewise, Satan whispers lies to anyone who will receive them, he tried lying to Jesus, but Jesus used the holy word against him, you don't understand the holy word, you understand your version.

The Holy Spirit (which is God) told me long ago that stubborn men can never hear his voice because He can't get past Satan's lies. In other words if people are so proud they can never be wrong, God really and truly can't ever teach them very much. That is why God choose BABES for disciples instead of LEARNED MEN like the Pharisees.
This I know, it is not written satan whispered in Peter's ear "Fight". Your words like "Satan whispers lies to anyone who will receive them" or big A antichrist or rapture theology are all self-serving. It is basically "It is not my fault, the devil made me do it." Take responsibility man. Are you of Christ or not?

As for your 35 years of lore, consider
2 Peter 1:19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

All I see are contortions of the Scripture. You have proven yourself false not true. No prophecy is a private conjecture.

As for babes, consider
Heb 5:12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Remain within Scriptures or declare yourself false. Jesus does not think highly of hypocrites. It is written.