A new look at Galatians

[RedTent]

A study on Galatians: In reading the 7 church epistles let's look at how they pertain to doctrine, reproof and correction.

Romans - doctrinal, Corinthians - reproof, Galatians - correction
Ephesians - doctrinal, Philippians - reproof, Colossians - correction
Thessalonians - stands alone and needs no reproof or correction

Now Galatians is a letter to the churches dealing with correction.

Galatians 1:1-5 Opening and introductory to the churches of Galatia (to the church in general so to us)

And Paul starts off -

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him (God v15) that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

What is it Paul is saying? Who were 'troubling' them and perverting the gospel of Christ?

Discuss. . . . .

You have a good handle on Galatians as we know to see it from 2014, it is good. We are talking about taking on a study to see it from the viewpoint of the year 50 or so when it was written, to plum it for the spiritual truths in it for us. We could discuss away the 2014 view, many have done it. I am suggesting reading a description of the AD 50 view. It talks a lot about who was troubling them, how they were doing it, and what Paul had to say about the troubles they were bringing on those people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have a good handle on Galatians as we know to see it from 2014, it is good. We are talking about taking on a study to see it from the viewpoint of the year 50 or so when it was written, to plum it for the spiritual truths in it for us. We could discuss away the 2014 view, many have done it. I am suggesting reading a description of the AD 50 view. It talks a lot about who was troubling them, how they were doing it, and what Paul had to say about the troubles they were bringing on those people.

So we should study a histroy of mean. And not of God.

Is not the OT, the gospels, and the NT enough to show us how and what Judiazers taught?

Did the jews change from 30 AD to 50 AD in that they changed their core beliefs?

 

[just-me]

Not so. The Pharisees were the bible scholars of their time. They knew the law inside and out.

What they didn't know and couldn't submit to was the Righteousness of God apart from the law.

From post # 52

Your statement can be misunderstood. The Pharisees didn't obey the law. By the time Jesus arrived on the scene they had no idea what the truth was in the law. For hundreds of years they had developed their own understanding, and in the process messed it all up. Jesus called them on it.

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

We see hear that "faith" is a substantial part of the law, not by works, or in the flesh, but by teh Holy Spirit's motivation.

John 5:42-47 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47[/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 7:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

 

[SarahM777]

And this is the way a Christian thinks!! Wow!

Yes, I have searched long and hard to find the most accurate history. I do not read history as fact without also going into the author and where he got his information. After I sift through authors to find the best, I watch carefully to see if they have an agenda, and I found most do. They show it in the history they choose to tell about. Now, you call them weirdoes and you say that you have only true history. We are to go to you as the only expert. You think I could have saved myself study and all searching by simply obeying you. I don't think so.

Now, you say that I am following something new! As if history is new! I find that there is something new in some of the recent discoveries of what is old. Some of translating ancient languages is new.

Just as you distain all I have studied, I distain much of yours. Like judging everything the rabbis said nonsense including the history of ancient times they reveal because, as Christ said, a lot of it is nonsense. I find that often, because of your judgments you are unable to think.

Another indication of this type of judgment thinking is you condemning the 119th psalm as scripture to be listened to and quoted. You judge that means focusing on the OT so Christ is obscured. That is not balanced thinking.

Another indication of your type of thinking is your judgment of "judaizers". You are able to discern that the entire book of Galatians is about objecting to the rules Jews had for gentiles to join them. You are able to think that far, it is good. But with judging the foundation of your reasoning, I become a judaizer, even, for studying the OT to learn about God. You are constantly stating that if I do that I am discounting Christ and on and on judging me.

You are completely unable to hear anything this study has to say to decide pro or con about it, it would be beyond your ability to fit in with your way of thinking. You heard the word messianic, that brought out a stop to any thinking you would be able to do as your mind simply goes into judging mode and out comes weird, whacky, nonsense, focusing, to take the place of thinking.

Red,

You DON'T get it. The MISHNA IS THE ORAL TRADITIONS of the Pharisees,which Jesus CONDEMNED the Pharisees for using ABOVE the laws of God and you're saying that we can use it to EXPLAIN the meaning of Galatians and God somehow is NOT going to have a problem with that? Really?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

You have a good handle on Galatians as we know to see it from 2014, it is good. We are talking about taking on a study to see it from the viewpoint of the year 50 or so when it was written, to plum it for the spiritual truths in it for us. We could discuss away the 2014 view, many have done it. I am suggesting reading a description of the AD 50 view. It talks a lot about who was troubling them, how they were doing it, and what Paul had to say about the troubles they were bringing on those people.

Thank you for your kind words.

I see it from a viewpoint of a Christian which I believe the Galatians saw it and also other brethren. If you would like to add history then by all means add history.

 

[RedTent]

Yes you did attack. You did not make any comments about what I said, you just attacked.

Do you want to study galations. Or what someone else said. I thought you said you wanted to study. You even got excited when I said good lets do it.

Ever heard of the HS. Do you think Peter had to go to school to be able to study history and the OT to learn about it?

There are many books, Many commentaries. Many historians we can learn from. Where do you think they got their learning from?

History is my favorite subject, would you like to talk about it. I would love to. But I thought this was about galations?

And I found some things you teach which does not keep with what the scripture says.

Here we go again, Is this all you want to do is tell each other what you think of them? How is that helping ANYONE learn about galations?

I have over 30 years studying the law of moses, its implications, and its meaning, I also have the same studying prophesy, its meaning and its implications.

If you do not want to listen to me thats fine, I am neither demanding you listen to me, or even asking you to.

You said you wanted to discuss galation. is this what you want to do. or do you just want to attack everyone who does not agree with you?

I did NOT say I wanted to discuss Galatians. I wanted to get someone to see what this man had to say about Galatians based on the history of the time Paul wrote to them. I never said I wanted to discuss again your decisions about law, I have heard them. I do not want to attack you or you attack me. I know what you think Galatians says, there is no use of discussing it further, what you think about it is set in stone.

I am almost 89 years old and I have been studying this since I was 18, although I decided long ago not to guess about the allegories of prophecy. So what?

I do not want to discuss what people say Galatians says, I have never said so. I want to discuss what this man thinks about Galatians based on the history he has dug up. I don't think that people who know everything about everything are good candidates for that kind of a discussion. Scripture reading takes a humble mind, and with your fondness of the word focus, then focus on God.

 

[Angela53510]

And this is the way a Christian thinks!! Wow!

Yes, I have searched long and hard to find the most accurate history. I do not read history as fact without also going into the author and where he got his information. After I sift through authors to find the best, I watch carefully to see if they have an agenda, and I found most do. They show it in the history they choose to tell about. Now, you call them weirdoes and you say that you have only true history. We are to go to you as the only expert. You think I could have saved myself study and all searching by simply obeying you. I don't think so.

Now, you say that I am following something new! As if history is new! I find that there is something new in some of the recent discoveries of what is old. Some of translating ancient languages is new.

Just as you distain all I have studied, I distain much of yours. Like judging everything the rabbis said nonsense including the history of ancient times they reveal because, as Christ said, a lot of it is nonsense. I find that often, because of your judgments you are unable to think.

Another indication of this type of judgment thinking is you condemning the 119th psalm as scripture to be listened to and quoted. You judge that means focusing on the OT so Christ is obscured. That is not balanced thinking.

Another indication of your type of thinking is your judgment of "judaizers". You are able to discern that the entire book of Galatians is about objecting to the rules Jews had for gentiles to join them. You are able to think that far, it is good. But with judging the foundation of your reasoning, I become a judaizer, even, for studying the OT to learn about God. You are constantly stating that if I do that I am discounting Christ and on and on judging me.

You are completely unable to hear anything this study has to say to decide pro or con about it, it would be beyond your ability to fit in with your way of thinking. You heard the word messianic, that brought out a stop to any thinking you would be able to do as your mind simply goes into judging mode and out comes weird, whacky, nonsense, focusing, to take the place of thinking.

I have no time for this nonsense. I will let others try and get a single word pertaining to the study of Galatians out of you. When you find something "new" it likely is the same old lie, packaged in a different format. You have searched the internet to find a Bible study that upholds your opinions.

My thought is next time, study the Bible to study the Bible. Read Galatians in one sitting, then chapter by chapter, verse by verse, then with a commentary or study Bible. Absorb it, live it. God will speak to you. Memorize it. Write it on your heart!

You are completely unable to hear anything anyone in this forum has to say to you. I post a scripture, and you reply with an attack. I post another verses, and you call me anti-nominan.

You are wrong, and will continue to be wrong. I can only pray that you do not move so far from God that God does not cast you into hell for finding ways to put God in the Talmud box, because, you may remember the Pharisees are the ones who crucified Jesus and the ones who wrote the Talmud.

Kind of like a Jew deciding to use "Mein Kampf" as a foundational book to study the truth of the Jewish religion.

Jesus is the Messiah, by the way. The Anointed One. Christ is merely a Greek translation of the Hebrew. I am not afraid of words, I love Hebrew and the Old Testament. But I know its place in salvic history or soteriology. The question is, do you?

"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." Gal 5:1

"You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion is not from him who calls you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leavens the whole lump. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!" Gal. 5:7-12

"For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another." Gal. 5:13-15

I'm done with biting and devouring. I thought we were supposed to be studying Galatians, instead, as usual I just see biting and devouring. Too bad, it could have been an interesting study.

 

[RedTent]

Thank you for your kind words.

I see it from a viewpoint of a Christian which I believe the Galatians saw it and also other brethren. If you would like to add history then by all means add history.

I don't think it is "adding" history. I think the history is a basic part of being a listening Christian. We need to know Christ was a Jew as we read the gospels. We need to know Hebrews was written to people thinking of just going back to what they knew before Christ lived and died on the earth. We need to know about John as he was given the book of Revelations. If we don't know the problems a book is addressing and the circumstances of the people with those problems, we have a hard time figuring out what the book is answering. History isn't "adding", it is a part of the book.

 

[JGIG]

I am amazed that when a thread is started for edification, and dares mention the spiritual relevance to the law God gave to Moses, that almost immediately the "anti law" people start an argument with accusations with words of denunciation of one thing or another.

This thread was not started for edification, but was designed for division citing 'proof' for the Law-keeping position and implying that anyone not willing to take on the study presented is a 'casual Christian':

From the OP:

• Any time there is a discussion of law, the book of Galatians is quoted as proof against law.
• Yet, scripture gives verse after verse upholding law.
• I found a study that explains Galatians through a thorough study of all scripture that applies, and a study of the times surrounding the letter that is almost like going back into the life of the Galatians. It isn’t an easy study, it is an outline that can take weeks to do. It isn’t for the casual Christian.

We talk of love, grace, gentleness, or any part of the "fruit of the Spirit" and the conversations in post after post show anything but that, in a thread stated by a particular person who has been labeled as a Judaizer/legalizer months ago.

Said person posts time after time false teaching, rarely using Scripture and then bearing false witness and putting words into the 'mouths' of other posters that they NEVER wrote and did not imply. So enough with the victim card .

And now with this thread, as every time before, we see in the very next post from the OP an emediate conflict, just because some people think it is their responsibility to comment against what they assume is corrupt for whatever reason. What is the spiritual motivation that leads some to act in such a manner? Is it not clear what is happening, and are wee so blind?

The Law-keeping position is a false gospel which takes away from the completed Work of Christ and immobilizes and isolates that part of the Body because She turns her focus on self instead of loving others. Spin it any way you want to; that's how it eventually plays out.

Two more questions; What is it that Satan does to deceive the church that succeeds in prohibiting edification? Do we not realize that Jesus warded off Satan by quoting the law? Wake up people!!!

Satan used the only Law in effect in the Garden to tempt Eve. Now he has a whole bunch of laws to choose from. Which is why, in Christ, God arranged for this:

13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. (from Col. 2)​

If you are in Christ, you have died to the Law; you have been severed from it. What weapon did God take away from the rulers and authorities? The Law. If you put yourself back under Law, you put that weapon right back in the hands of Satan in your life.

The following series offered on a take it or leave it basis. I won't try to manipulate anyone into listening or not by telling them that if they don't, they're not a 'casual' Christian. Free audios:

Spiritual Warfare – From Aaron Budjen: “When it comes to the subject of Spiritual Warfare, people are normally thinking of it as an opportunity to cast demons out of people and assert their authority over the Devil. People are looking for opportunities to pray in different ways or heal people of their diseases and injuries. These are real circumstances in life and I do recognize that many people encounter and engage our enemy in these ways. However, I sincerely believe that the predominant battle we are engaged in is the battle between the truth and the lie, and the battleground is your mind. Instead of presenting this subject from the traditional point of view, I addressed this subject in the context of law and grace. The series turned out to be 8 programs, recorded on 4 CDs of very hard hitting and strong teaching, exposing the most predominant satanic lie that holds people in bondage. The lie of, ‘if you will only know what is good and evil, you can be like God.’” Highly Recommended.
​

• Spiritual Warfare 1
• Spiritual Warfare 2
• Spiritual Warfare 3
• Spiritual Warfare 4
• Spiritual Warfare 5
• Spiritual Warfare 6
• Spiritual Warfare 7
• Spiritual Warfare 8

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

You say that as though there is no sinning in the Law camp.

There is.

And lots of it.

Two 'Christian' leaders wielding Law-centric teaching have fallen recently and have left wide paths of destruction behind them. These were men/organizations held in high esteem amongst the Law-keeping crowd, and many from both streams flowed into Torah 'observance', in attempt for more 'pure' form Law 'keeping'.

The result is not less sinning, but more, for God says, in His Word, that the Law stirs up sinning.

Present the Gospel of Grace to people, and when received, watch what God will do! GRACE teaches us to say no to ungodliness, not Law!


The problem in churchianity today is not a lack of Law, but a lack of Pure Grace. The Law brings us to Christ. When we come to Christ, we die, DIE, to the Law (Rom. 7). That's about as separated as you can get from something! Then it is GRACE that teaches us to say no to ungodliness and live uprightly (Titus 2).

Your comment above is a twisting of what love and law and the Holy Spirit are and do. That tends to happen when one is trying to make the Law take on the role of the Holy Spirit.


To the contrary! We are saying STUDY IT! Read the letter to the Galatians plainly for what it clearly says, not for what one man who spends 126 pages trying to force a Law-keeping paradigm into a short, 6 chapter letter which CLEARLY teaches the opposite!

-JGIG

That is the problem, you are NOT reading Galatians for what it plainly says. This study is about that. You are saying it is teaching the Talmud, which is an out and out lie.

That was another poster, and they didn't say that the study teaches the Talmud, but that the author and the site rely on the Talmud as a source of truth and wisdom. That's not a good thing. Talk about man-made tradition!

The man who wrote it believes that God spent over 4,000 years preparing us for Christ, and we should listen to God from those years, and for that he is treated as a traitor to Christ.

And then instead of pointing to Christ and building believers up in who they are in Him, the author of the study twists the clear message of Galatians to point believers to Torah observance. If that was the goal, if righteousness was to be obtained through the Law, then Christ had no need to do the Work of the Cross:

19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (from Gal. 2)​

I am told I may not quote any OT scripture, and once I quoted the 119th Psalm, I am still hung on the cross for daring to do that.

I've encouraged you in an number of posts to use contextual Scripture. The 119th Psalm is a beautiful passage, and in the New Covenant loses none of it's meaning. The laws given at Sinai are no longer the object of the psalm, however, but the Law of Love, the Fruit of the Spirit, which fulfills the Law (Gal. 5, Rom. 13:8-10).

You know from my former posts that I do not believe in shutting my mind to any scripture, and you are using that to say you think it is right to close your mind to a study of Galatians.

Pardon me? The post of mine that you quoted above I clearly stated, "To the contrary! We are saying STUDY IT! Read the letter to the Galatians plainly for what it clearly says . . . "

You are again telling fibs, RedTent, trying to paint your 'opponents' as trying to shut down the study of the Scriptures, when that is not at all the case.

I am told I am completely wrong for including scripture regarding listening to law, along with the scripture that you also actually accept and don't deny, as a reason to close your mind to this report of scripture and history applying to Galatians is absolutely ridiculous. Those truly in Christ would not do that.

RedTent, anything that contradicts a plain reading of Paul's letter to the Galatians is error. The study you posted takes 126 pages to try to rewrite Paul's letter. Rejecting the study you posted does not make me close-minded, it makes me discerning. Those in Christ are called to test everything. Even the study you posted.

The Pharisee in Christ's time acted in the way you are all acting, you surely are not closing your minds to all the gospels, are you?

Another false accusation.

Hitler believed in burning books based on his prejudices. This study only uses history and scripture, and for that you say it should be off limits for every person who accepts, at least part of the bible.

And there goes the Hitler card . . . .

Sheesh.

-JGIG

 

[RedTent]

Red,

You DON'T get it. The MISHNA IS THE ORAL TRADITIONS of the Pharisees,which Jesus CONDEMNED the Pharisees for using ABOVE the laws of God and you're saying that we can use it to EXPLAIN the meaning of Galatians and God somehow is NOT going to have a problem with that? Really?

I never once said to use the Mishna or whatever it is, the Talmud, or anything but facts to explain God. I said that judgmental thinking so everything about a subject is condemned is not good thinking. Where did you ever come up with that these were to be used to explain? What a mind.

A rose has a thorn. Does that statement explain a rose? Reading "Mishna" does not stop the possibility of learning about what the Jews of a certain period were thinking, should we say it is sinful to read that for that purpose because it doesn't do a thing to explain God?

 

[JGIG]

This is twisting and distorting truth. The fullness of the gospel is found in the first chapter of Genesis and the book of Matthew. Mosaic Law has nothing to do with it, it has a completely separate purpose.

Well that will shorten up a quick read of the Bible! Genesis and Matthew! Except that Christ Himself said this:

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you." (from John 16)​

Apparently Christ knew there was more Truth to come explaining the significance of what He was about to do.

Paul was the recipient of much of that Truth, and was charged with communicating it to the Body.

And just what in the world has this to do with deciding you can't study Galatians?

Not one, NOT ONE person has said not to study Galatians.

-JGIG

 

[RedTent]

That was another poster, and they didn't say that the study teaches the Talmud, but that the author and the site rely on the Talmud as a source of truth and wisdom. That's not a good thing. Talk about man-made tradition!

And then instead of pointing to Christ and building believers up in who they are in Him, the author of the study twists the clear message of Galatians to point believers to Torah observance. If that was the goal, if righteousness was to be obtained through the Law, then Christ had no need to do the Work of the Cross:

19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. (from Gal. 2)

I've encouraged you in an number of posts to use contextual Scripture. The 119th Psalm is a beautiful passage, and in the New Covenant loses none of it's meaning. The laws given at Sinai are no longer the object of the psalm, however, but the Law of Love, the Fruit of the Spirit, which fulfills the Law (Gal. 5, Rom. 13:8-10).

Pardon me? The post of mine that you quoted above I clearly stated, "To the contrary! We are saying STUDY IT! Read the letter to the Galatians plainly for what it clearly says . . . "

You are again telling fibs, RedTent, trying to paint your 'opponents' as trying to shut down the study of the Scriptures, when that is not at all the case.

RedTent, anything that contradicts a plain reading of Paul's letter to the Galatians is error. The study you posted takes 126 pages to try to rewrite Paul's letter. Rejecting the study you posted does not make me close-minded, it makes me discerning. Those in Christ are called to test everything. Even the study you posted.

Another false accusation.

And there goes the Hitler card . . . .

Sheesh.

-JGIG​

I truly think that demons are dictating some of these things that are said. They are not of God in a Christian site! The author relies on scripture and history to teach about Galatians. That is the way it is, regardless of what you say. The author is not trying to twist Galatians, but I see you are doing anything you can to see that no one knows what God says to us in Galatians.

There is a fight between the forces of evil and good, but good will win, you are on the losing side.

On a Christian site with Christians on it, all would know what the place the Talmud has in our learning about God. There wouldn't be the questions about it you keep bringing up. It would even be possible to say that it could be used for its historic value without anyone batting an eye. It wouldn't be something like little kids use accusing and teasing each other with.

God does not tell us never to listen to Torah, Torah points to Christ. Christ is the plan for our salvation, it always was. Nothing you can say can change that, it is simply so. Again, you are on the losing side.

You say you want to shut down this study of Galatians, that is the gist of all YOUR posts. I agree that what we are after is the plain reading of Galatians, the plain and simple reading of God's message. That is what I am working for and what you are fighting.

Be careful, when you say we are to test everything that comes from man against what comes from God, that is one of the purposes of a Christian, and leads to Christ. That is working FOR Christ! Is that what you want to do?​

 

[paulsfam4]

The law does not give us salvation. its by faith. Now living they way god wants us to live and the way we should live ! we automatically are following the law but the law will never give us salvation.

 

[JGIG]

It has been established that you think "ALL who wish to follow law" are wrong, that has been done. The question before us now is being critical of the study of the history and scripture around Galatians. Posters are saying that if the person reporting this history has a different philosophy than they do, then that history also needs to be shunned as well as anyone who would dare think differently than they do.

Edgar Allan Poe was a drunk, but I appreciate his poem "The Raven".

So posters are bringing up how their philosophy of scripture is superior, and nothing about studying Galatians!!

Would you receive a Bible study from Edgar Allan Poe?

Why or why not?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Yippee!!

And isn't it amazing, the problems that Paul and the Galatians were facing, and how Galatians solves them. It clears up what is said in Galatians when we can hear it from the viewpoint of what these problems were that they were facing.

God is making so much history of the people He used to give us spiritual truth available to us, now that has been hidden so many years. We have such a wide gulf of time separating us from these people, I think it is not serendipity that does this, but it is God's hand.

So God has hidden His Truth from His people?

Really?

And your source (who relies on Talmud which is based on oral traditions and Jewish mysticism) is the authoritative source that God has chosen to reveal stuff that you say He hid from His people?

Again, really???

God's Word says that every promise of God is yes and amen in Christ (1 Cor. 1:20) and you're still looking for 'secret knowledge'?

You have been sooo primed for false teachers to take you for a ride.

-JGIG

 

[RedTent]

I have no time for this nonsense. I will let others try and get a single word pertaining to the study of Galatians out of you. When you find something "new" it likely is the same old lie, packaged in a different format. You have searched the internet to find a Bible study that upholds your opinions.

My thought is next time, study the Bible to study the Bible. Read Galatians in one sitting, then chapter by chapter, verse by verse, then with a commentary or study Bible. Absorb it, live it. God will speak to you. Memorize it. Write it on your heart!

You are completely unable to hear anything anyone in this forum has to say to you. I post a scripture, and you reply with an attack. I post another verses, and you call me anti-nominan.

You are wrong, and will continue to be wrong. I can only pray that you do not move so far from God that God does not cast you into hell for finding ways to put God in the Talmud box, because, you may remember the Pharisees are the ones who crucified Jesus and the ones who wrote the Talmud.

Kind of like a Jew deciding to use "Mein Kampf" as a foundational book to study the truth of the Jewish religion.

Jesus is the Messiah, by the way. The Anointed One. Christ is merely a Greek translation of the Hebrew. I am not afraid of words, I love Hebrew and the Old Testament. But I know its place in salvic history or soteriology. The question is, do you?

"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." Gal 5:1

"You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion is not from him who calls you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leavens the whole lump. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!" Gal. 5:7-12

"For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another." Gal. 5:13-15

I'm done with biting and devouring. I thought we were supposed to be studying Galatians, instead, as usual I just see biting and devouring. Too bad, it could have been an interesting study.

Angela, if Christ were here between us, Christ could set you straight. You believe in Christ you will be saved, even though you turn against so much of God.

We are talking about using this study of Galatians and critiquing it, and whether anyone would do it. I do not want to study Galatians with you, you have a warped idea of Galatians and that cannot be changed. If we discuss together, it would be about this study, and about what "Law of Moses" means, and you have made clear that you do not want to discuss it, your mind is made it and what God thinks about it makes no difference to you. Case closed.

I am not biting and devouring you. You have said I am heading for hell. That I never study. That my use of the OT is wrong. Your words include horrid things describing me and the man who wrote the study. We are told not to even use "you fool", and your words are scathing. This man is accused of using the Talmud for scripture, for instance. In a court of law your witness against an accused would be thrown out based on the things you say.

I must stand up for my God, I must stand up for Christ. I believe in Christ as my savior, the man who wrote the study believes in Christ as his Savior. You are attacking.

 

[RedTent]

Angela, Yes, it could have been an interesting study. I think it is a shame what you have done to the study. It was to have what this man thought about Galatians as a base, that idea was destroyed.

 

[Least]

If people are so angry and bitter over a thread, why do they keep coming back?

You've been very patient Redtent. I'm more than half your age and half as sharp! And Have half your patience.

The Lord bless and keep you Sister

 

[JGIG]

Red,

You DON'T get it. The MISHNA IS THE ORAL TRADITIONS of the Pharisees,which Jesus CONDEMNED the Pharisees for using ABOVE the laws of God and you're saying that we can use it to EXPLAIN the meaning of Galatians and God somehow is NOT going to have a problem with that? Really?

Yes.

What's really, really amazing is that RedTent states that it's the traditions of men that Paul was preaching against in the letter tot he Galatians, and then goes to the VERY SAME traditions of men to try to prove that Paul was trying to convince the Galatians not to abide by those same traditions of men.

It is the very definition of double-mindedness!

-JGIG