A new look at Galatians
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If this study is about scripture, and it is talking about what scripture says, then it would have to agree with acts 15:10, Hebrews 8:13, and Romans 7:6. It isn't a study to find out that God made a mistake when God gave us scripture. That is for the people who deny scripture to do.
That is the purpose of a study, to check to be sure that we understand what God wants to tell us as we read His word. If the study does not help us understand, if it says any scripture is wrong, then we have learned from the study that the study is wrong.
This entire argument is about pronouns and the reader's perception of those pronouns. If you feel the word THOU is referring to you then you are bound by exodus 20. If you put off THOU for HE or HIM then unknowingly you are saved from the law IN EXODUS 20 by abiding HE OR HIM and not THOU. Or you can chose from wisdom and knowledge not to abide THOU. Abide the Name.
Here are some other Bible studies on Galatians NOT written by Orthodox Jews!
Intro only, but a good one!
https://www.ivpress.com/bible/galatian/
http://executableoutlines.com/pdf/ga_sg.pdf
http://www.thinkonthesethings.com/materials/Gal.pdf
https://bible.org/seriespage/galatians-introduction-argument-and-outline
I also have 4 commentaries (i.e. large books) and they all agree with the above links that Galatians was written to those who were being tricked into circumcision and following the Mosaic Covenant as a condition of salvation, or on-going salvation.
I am not anti- Semitic, I have quite a few wonderful Jewish friends with whom I share the gospel with regularly. I am not anti-nomian, I follow Jesus with all my heart. I read the Old Testament daily and value the words, as they were inspired by God and Jesus knew and loved those words!
Any further accusations of this slanderous nature will be reported!
This is the Bible Discussion Forum, and we should be discussing the Bible, not murdering people with our words, because they defend the truth of the real gospel of Christ, not a perverted Hebrew Roots gospel of returning to the Old Covenant!
Intro only, but a good one!
https://www.ivpress.com/bible/galatian/
http://executableoutlines.com/pdf/ga_sg.pdf
http://www.thinkonthesethings.com/materials/Gal.pdf
https://bible.org/seriespage/galatians-introduction-argument-and-outline
I also have 4 commentaries (i.e. large books) and they all agree with the above links that Galatians was written to those who were being tricked into circumcision and following the Mosaic Covenant as a condition of salvation, or on-going salvation.
I am not anti- Semitic, I have quite a few wonderful Jewish friends with whom I share the gospel with regularly. I am not anti-nomian, I follow Jesus with all my heart. I read the Old Testament daily and value the words, as they were inspired by God and Jesus knew and loved those words!
Any further accusations of this slanderous nature will be reported!
This is the Bible Discussion Forum, and we should be discussing the Bible, not murdering people with our words, because they defend the truth of the real gospel of Christ, not a perverted Hebrew Roots gospel of returning to the Old Covenant!
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phil112
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If you look long enough and hard enough you can find anyone to agree with your personal perversion of scripture.
I am so thankful for, and I praise my God for, giving me His word in such a manner that I, a lowly mechanic, can understand it. I am grateful that my God showed me the mystery that had, until time of Christ's sacrifice for me, been hidden from the world.
I praise my God for sending the apostle Paul to complete Jesus' ministry so that I, a lowly gentile mechanic, may have hope of everlasting life in heaven.
I am so grateful to my God that He sent His Spirit to inspire holy men to provide His word for me to understand without having to get an interpretation from another.
I praise my God for shining that bright light in my heart to dispel the shadows and all doubt.
I feel bad for you that your god spoke in hidden words that you had to get someone to explain it to you.
You are right, for once. You have NOT said to "live as you like". To you, the Holy Spirit leads you to living according to the same thing that law says, including using love as a guide.
I do apologize.
Our churches has opened the door to allowing immorality, etc. to be part of the church. It is since the ten commandments are not taught any longer in the way they were a very short time ago. I still stand by that, for the baby Christians in the church especially, the teaching that the Holy Spirit does not require the backup of all scripture including what it says about how to express love (or law as you put it) is not working to help the church.
But this is a post about the idea of studying Galatians, not your idea about law. The opposition is saying we may not study it, it is Judaizing, based on that the author of the study I suggested is deeply involved in the OT. This study does not include any of that, but being he is the author, the opposition to the study wants no one to follow this study.
So you are content that you will not look at any explanations!! If you have it wrong, you believe you should hide from anything that might be truth, it is wrong to look for more exact truth according to your information. So shut up about it, keep to what you have, it could be that others are more humble and willing to listen for God's voice. Why throw what you feel is so superior about what you know on everyone else who is searching for truth as carefully as they can.
God said to let those children looking for His voice come to him and forbid them not. So you finished and completed scholars, please just be quiet and let us seekers search scripture.
I want to clear up a possible misunderstanding. I think we need to know the entire bible. For as the bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness. I encourage everyone to read the whole bible. I believe that it is through the old that we can come to appreciate and understand the new. But I believe that we are under the law of grace, which seems quite obvious to me. And as I have said many times we are not to live in sin just because we have received grace. Paul says, "May it never be!" which I believe could say "it cannot be." If you receive Jesus, then you will desire to please God which means you will live by many of the things that were established in the old testament. I believe this is why Paul says that we are not under the law but we establish it. Because the non-believer should see the law through our actions. But not the whole law, because Jesus has fulfilled the law. So, the non-believer shouldn't be encouraged to sacrific animals, stone sinners, consider themselves unclean for until evening because they touched something that was dead, consider a women unclean for 33 days after she gives birth to a boy/66 if she gives birth to a girl,etc. These things should not be established through us to a non-believer because they are not part of the new covenant.
YOU are discussing scripture or "perverted Hebrew Roots"? You suggest that all covenants are wrong except the one in Christ that is new and improved, and by wanting scripture ignored you are not the perverted one? I don't think so. Hebrew Roots means accepting the scripture that God breathed, all of it as one scripture. You want the NT made the major scripture and you throw stones at others? It is a glass house you are living in.
Your suggestions do not include any of the new findings we need. They are incomplete. They are studies, mine are studies. Why do you think that only you can be brilliant enough to suggest a study, but throw stones at other ones? The study I suggest is not promoting a certain churches stand, can you say that about yours?
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phil112
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But we are not discussing law here, or even what scripture says. We are discussing whether we can study Galatians through the study I suggested.
Even though the study is not about "Hebrew Roots", the author is a member of that church. Some say that we may not study using his study plan based on that, even though he is not promoting his church. Many posts say that they already know all about anything anyone could say about Galatians and we are not to study based on that. One woman says that this study is off limits because everything about OT and Hebrew Roots saying the OT is the root of Christ is "perverted", therefore they should only do the study that she personally OK's. There isn't any posts that say they think they could learn about the study of the history of the times or scriptures that reinforce Galatians. I am defending the study.
Could you please explain as simple as you can, (I have great difficulty reading your convoluted texts)
what Paul mean when he says the "law is the schoolmaster..... and we are no longer under the schoolmaster"?
Please.
These are the 10 servants that He hired for a penny a day...
*For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2*And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3*And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4*And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5*Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6*And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7*They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8*So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9*And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
These(the law) will be the laborers of the Holy Spirit. Except now Jesus and his disciples represent this idea.
This thread is not about my giving explanations of Galatians, it is about if it is OK to do the study of Galatians that I suggested.
I suggest you go to commentaries at bible Gateway, if you decide you do not want to do the study of Galatians that I suggested, although I think doing the study would give you more satisfaction.
I would wonder why a CHRISTIAN would want to do a Bible study with someone that quotes passages from the Talmud and the Mishna to try explain Galatians. The Talmud and the Mishna are NOT scripture they are man made traditions.
Um, RedTent, I hate to point out the obvious, but turn about is fair play; receive your own words that you have so harshly delivered to us:
- So you are content that you will not look at any explanations!!
- If you have it wrong, you believe you should hide from anything that might be truth, it is wrong to look for more exact truth according to your information.
- So shut up about it, keep to what you have, it could be that others are more humble and willing to listen for God's voice.
- Why throw what you feel is so superior about what you know on everyone else who is searching for truth as carefully as they can.
- God said to let those children looking for His voice come to him and forbid them not.
- So you finished and completed scholars, please just be quiet and let us seekers search scripture.
"So shut up about it"?!?!
Really? Is that the voice of humility and willingness to listen for God's voice?
-JGIG
You say that as though there is no sinning in the Law camp.
There is.
And lots of it.
Two 'Christian' leaders wielding Law-centric teaching have fallen recently and have left wide paths of destruction behind them. These were men/organizations held in high esteem amongst the Law-keeping crowd, and many from both streams flowed into Torah 'observance', in attempt for more 'pure' form Law 'keeping'.
The result is not less sinning, but more, for God says, in His Word, that the Law stirs up sinning.
Present the Gospel of Grace to people, and when received, watch what God will do! GRACE teaches us to say no to ungodliness, not Law!
The problem in churchianity today is not a lack of Law, but a lack of Pure Grace. The Law brings us to Christ. When we come to Christ, we die, DIE, to the Law (Rom. 7). That's about as separated as you can get from something! Then it is GRACE that teaches us to say no to ungodliness and live uprightly (Titus 2).
Your comment above is a twisting of what love and law and the Holy Spirit are and do. That tends to happen when one is trying to make the Law take on the role of the Holy Spirit.
To the contrary! We are saying STUDY IT! Read the letter to the Galatians plainly for what it clearly says, not for what one man who spends 126 pages trying to force a Law-keeping paradigm into a short, 6 chapter letter which CLEARLY teaches the opposite!
-JGIG
I have to jump in here - Are you saying that listening to the holy Spirit let's us live as we like? I hate to tell you this but that is totally false. The holy Spirit brings things to our remembrance - the holy Spirit leads and guides us unto all truth. If I wanted to steal - do you actually think that the holy Spirit will not let me know that I shouldn't?
Any, ANY rule, law, command that is carried over to the New Testament is instruction for me - that rule, law, command is fulfilled by the love I have for God and the love I have for others because the thing that people aren't getting is -
MY LOVE FOR GOD AND MY LOVE FOR OTHERS IS WHAT SUSTAINS AND HELPS ME TO DO THE THINGS I SHOULD . . . but it is still a continuous battle because as long as I am in the flesh - the flesh lusts against the Spirit - so my life is not any different than yours - the law brought me to Christ - it is my faith in Christ that has saved me and it is my love for God and for my neighbour that keeps me. The law will not make me anymore righteous than when I put my faith in Christ.
The law is for lawlessness. If I am stealing then I need that law to tell me not to - that law is now written upon my heart by and through my faith in Jesus Christ.
Isn't this in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 speaking of the unrighteous when saying the deception will be among those that perish because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved? . . .that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. . . .