A Perspective on Evolution

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I believe that man was:

  • Created in one day by God

    Votes: 19 63.3%
  • Created by God over millions of years via evolution

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Created accidentally by random processes over millions of years

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Created by extraterrestrials in an alien lab

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Total voters
    30
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EconGrad

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So was Jesus raising someone from the dead metaphorical as well?
I don't see any indications that it was either in nature or in the account itself.

I do see indications that the creation accounts in Genesis allow some latitude in interpretation.

I also don't think this sort of matter should divide the unity of the body of Christ.
 
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Ancilla

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Whether evolution is an accurate theory or an inaccurate one isn't relevant to the Christian faith I have received.

I think the focus on this sort of thing is counterproductive. We quarrel with atheists/scientists over science instead of preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Why can't everyone take this approach? I hate it when Christians tell non-Christians that they have to choose between God and evolution, and the evidence for the latter is for them a lot more obvious. My dad's a geologist. He knows all about the earth being a lot more than 6 thousand years old. He's also one of the strongest Chrisitians I know. He has a very good friend, who's also a very strong Christian, who teaches a university course on evolution. When I was a teenager I asked him how he reconciles his research and his faith. He, well, he was very tactful, but basically told me that he couldn't explain that to me in a few sentences, let alone in a way that I would understand.

Or have you ever noticed that when you have Bible studies where everyone is either a grad student or a professor with a PhD, that evolution is never brought up? Or if it is it's talked about in how we want to make of how we want to make it an either or situation because it is our temptation to compress God isn't something we can understand.
 
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Ancilla

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Oh, and by the way, Darwin was an athesit. But his atheism had nothing to do with his work and everything to do with his personal life.
 
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DJB2034

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Darwin was agnostic. After realizing that Genesis was not literally true, he began to doubt the Bible.
 
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pogrud

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Is the point of Genesis how God created, or is the point of Genesis why God created? Science offers it's reasons of how creation came to be, but it is not in the realm of science to say why creation even has to exist ( or that it even has to exist). When I read Genesis, I understand that God is the ultimate reason, cause, and source of all that is. It doesn't matter to me how he did it: the point is that he did do it in whatever way he saw fit, and scientifc evidence suggests that it is not outside of God's ability to allow something such evolution to occur. Evolution is an event within our human construct of time, and God is a being outside of time, so while we may percieve evolution as a long drawn out process that takes billions of years, to God, it happens at no point in time because he is not in time as we are.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there suaso. I'd like to see more Christians use this interpretation rather than the intelligent design/creationist nonsense banded about.

Darwin was agnostic. After realizing that Genesis was not literally true, he began to doubt the Bible.
He was originally going to become an Anglican clergyman. After his adventure on the Beagle he became skeptical of the truth of Christianity, and began to wonder why all religions aren't equally valid. The death of his daughter, Annie, went a way to ending his belief in the Christian God.

If God created the universe with evolution the Bible is wrong. It leaves no room for evolution as a possibility.
I think you've totally missed the point we touched on earlier in the discussion. Evolution is not mutually exclusive to creation, it is merely a pathway taken by life since creation. Hence, evolution does not mean the bible is wrong.

There was an interesting program on the BBC yesterday about this whole debate. The show was called 'Did Darwin kill God?' If you're in the UK you can watch it on the link above. If you're not you can download it from:

http://www.notinportland.com/releases/2009/03/31/diddarwinkillgodwspdtvxvid-remax/
 
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DJB2034

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Apparently, if you're a Baptist, the answer is yes. But then again, when you're a Baptist, the answer to everything is either "yes" or "no." And it's usually the wrong one then, too.
 
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Apparently, if you're a Baptist, the answer is yes. But then again, when you're a Baptist, the answer to everything is either "yes" or "no." And it's usually the wrong one then, too.
Now I am not baptist but what wrong with yes and no ;


Mt 5:37But LET YOUR communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

if's, maybe's, is this what your religion teaches maybe He will judge sin, maybe we will be in trouble if He comes and we have not called upon His name. a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day. is just stating that there is no time as we know it, that limits God. if a day in creation was thousand years then wouldn't our day be a thousand years now , or else show me when he changed the length of a day in scriptures. Adam was created the six day so we don't know what time of day , so even at that he still lived through the sabbath, now if the sabbath was a thousand years for us then Adam would had to be older than 930 years old, then we would have to say that gen. 5:5 is a lie and Adam was 1930 years old at least ( not knowing the time of day that he was created on the six day) and if this is so then The God that can't lie only made it to chapter 1. ( before He told a lie) when he said that he made day and night.twenty four hours for the greater light ruled the day and the lesser light ruled the night, unless your sun stays up for 500 yrs and your moon another 500 years than a day is a day is a day

Ge 5:5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.



This does not say that God changed time after the sabbath or that after the sabbath adam lived 930 years but all the days of adam was 930 years, So yes is yes no is no, a day is a day unless we


Ro 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Ro 1:22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,Ro 1:23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
 
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Tegelik

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Created by God over millions of years via evolution using a system of random processes. I think that would describe most accurately what I currently believe.
 
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african_queen

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(Just a thought) i wrote a novel entitled flowers in winter during a time when no man even knew hw to read and write, or what paper is. they could not understand a thing. then i hid this book in the mountains and some thousands of years later advanced people find my book and decode how it was written and made. is it possible to say that i did not make it jst becoz u have somehow come up with a theory of how i made it? can we discredit the author jst becoz we understand the book! or can we say it just apeard out of no were becoz our minds have reached their limit! the bible says were mans thinking ends thats were his ( God) begins. There was a man who questioned God abt everything, saying he wanted to understand and know everything. he was man of God. oneday he fell asleep and had a dream, in his dream; he was walking by the beach and found a little girl digging a little hole, he watched her as she took her little cup went to the ocean, took some water and pourd it into the little hole, she continued to do this for some time untill he finaly askd her what she was doing, she replied" i want to take all that water and put it into this hole. he looked at the ocean and said its impossible.( true story) happend to our pastor.
 
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Slepsog4

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Tegelik, That would make God a liar and the Bible untrustworthy because that is not what He said.
 
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Tegelik, That would make God a liar and the Bible untrustworthy because that is not what He said.
How do we know God said anything on the matter? What if God just gave a vision? An impression?

The problem that so many literal six-day creationists have is that they seem to think that God for all practical purposes ripped the pen out of the hands of the scribes and wrote things down himself, and those became the Bible. Anyone who has done the tiniest amount of studying knows that's not how these things work.
 
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Zalen

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EconGrad,

While I can't argue with your assertion that we need more preaching of the Gospel, I do disagree on your view that discussions on evolution are counterproductive. Science is an ally of the bible, not its nemesis. When people come to the realization that evolution has very little supporting evidence they will no doubt begin to seek other explanations. THAT is when the gospel starts making sense to a lot of people.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

The only evidence for the earth being created in one day is from the bible.
 
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sword

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the theory of evolution is an esoteric pantheistic idea because even though they may not say it , they believe in the creative power of mother earth, so it`s not a really scientific theory, it`s a pseudoscience. The evident inteligent design of the universe should be enough to convince them that there is a Creator.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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the theory of evolution is an esoteric pantheistic idea because even though they may not say it , they believe in the creative power of mother earth, so it`s not a really scientific theory, it`s a pseudoscience. The evident inteligent design of the universe should be enough to convince them that there is a Creator.
Amen, this is true...
 
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