A Question about The Feasts

[Seeker47]

I know keeping God’s appointed feasts is not a requirement for salvation. That is not the issue…
…but why does Christ’s church totally disregard His instructions?

“These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times…”
“This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.”

So, his instructions are to announce the feasts at their appointed times and to do this is a continuous and lasting requirement, always and everywhere.

The most common answer to the question is that Yeshua satisfied, once and for all, the requirements for animal sacrifice. Yep, that is absolutely true; but a totally unsatisfactory answer to the question. The animal offerings were a means of celebration, but clearly not the motive; not the reason. The feasts all celebrate the incomparable gift of His Son.

Passover (Pesach) celebrates Christ’s saving grace through His blood
Unleavened Bread (Matzah) acknowledges Christs sinlessness and our release from bondage
First Fruits celebrates Christs resurrection, the first fruit of all creation
Weeks (Shavuot) celebrates Christs gift of the Holy Spirit now indwelling in man
Trumpets (Yom Teruah) announce Christ’s return as he comes for his bride
Atonement (Yom-Kippur) is a plea for Christ to save our nation from its sin
Tabernacles (Sukkot) celebrates Christ’s in-gathering of all believers

Our Father wants us to keep these gifts in our mind. YHWH always has our best interests in His.

But there is more. The order and timing of God’s appointed feasts point to the end of days when Christ will return and establish His Father’s Kingdom on earth. These events give us important hints and guidelines to better understand and prepare for His return. They help put other biblical prophesies in a context not elsewhere made clear. Ignoring them may not be prudent.

I began with a question, for me it is rhetorical.

 

[Magenta]

I know keeping God’s appointed feasts is not a requirement for salvation. That is not the issue…
…but why does Christ’s church totally disregard His instructions?

National Israel is not the church.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I know keeping God’s appointed feasts is not a requirement for salvation. That is not the issue…
…but why does Christ’s church totally disregard His instructions?

When you say "His instructions," who are you talking about?

 

[Aaron56]

@Seeker47 The feasts seem important to you. Therefore, you will likely gain much by studying them and perhaps applying them.

Paul succinctly addressed the veneration of days and he showed that each person, in faith, may give or withhold value to the days according to his or her own conscience:

"5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord."

It's by faith that we live in the Lord. One may or may not apply this faith to the feasts. If you do or do not, do or do not to the Lord and your conscience will be clear.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

The Feast Days are prophetic shodow pictures of the works of Yahshua/Jesus 1st and 2nd coming

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (Presenting Hiself to YHWH - First Fruits)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Literally telling all about Yahshua/Jesus, thousands of years ago, amazing!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I know keeping God’s appointed feasts is not a requirement for salvation. That is not the issue…
…but why does Christ’s church totally disregard His instructions?

“These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times…”
“This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.”

So, his instructions are to announce the feasts at their appointed times and to do this is a continuous and lasting requirement, always and everywhere.

The most common answer to the question is that Yeshua satisfied, once and for all, the requirements for animal sacrifice. Yep, that is absolutely true; but a totally unsatisfactory answer to the question. The animal offerings were a means of celebration, but clearly not the motive; not the reason. The feasts all celebrate the incomparable gift of His Son.

Passover (Pesach) celebrates Christ’s saving grace through His blood
Unleavened Bread (Matzah) acknowledges Christs sinlessness and our release from bondage
First Fruits celebrates Christs resurrection, the first fruit of all creation
Weeks (Shavuot) celebrates Christs gift of the Holy Spirit now indwelling in man
Trumpets (Yom Teruah) announce Christ’s return as he comes for his bride
Atonement (Yom-Kippur) is a plea for Christ to save our nation from its sin
Tabernacles (Sukkot) celebrates Christ’s in-gathering of all believers

Our Father wants us to keep these gifts in our mind. YHWH always has our best interests in His.

But there is more. The order and timing of God’s appointed feasts point to the end of days when Christ will return and establish His Father’s Kingdom on earth. These events give us important hints and guidelines to better understand and prepare for His return. They help put other biblical prophesies in a context not elsewhere made clear. Ignoring them may not be prudent.

I began with a question, for me it is rhetorical.

communion is Christian Passover when you eat of the body and are covered with the blood like the Passover the Old Testament is a pattern for the real things in Christ

Christ jesus is our Passover and communion is our Passover feast

“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭5:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember they took Passover every year as remembrance of God saving their sons from death in Egypt. We take communion to remember our Passover and what the lord did to save us from death

The ot has this relationship to the new

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they sacrificed a lamb as an earthly pattern they ate the flesh and painted the blood over thoer doors this was only a pre pattern of the reality ofnchrosts body and blood it’s why we take communion it’s the same as Passover in tbe old shadow covenant but now we see the truth Gods lamb sacrofoced for us

“Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:54‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the flesh and blood of the real Passover the law was only a pattern and not reality we look to Jesus and his teachings and what we find is the reality of the law

 

[Seeker47]

National Israel is not the church.

I am prayerfully considering your reply. Thank you!

 

[Seeker47]

When you say "His instructions," who are you talking about?

In Exodus 12:14 and in Leviticus 23 the instructions are from God.

 

[Magenta]

I am prayerfully considering your reply. Thank you!

Thank you... it is a bit of a standard reply to these matters...

I did wonder though, if what you said here is correct:

Tabernacles (Sukkot) celebrates Christ’s in-gathering of all believers

I have thought it referred to Jesus(/God) coming to temporarily "tabernacle" with His people .

Some do believe the timing of this feast was fulfilled with the incarnation (birth) of Jesus .

John 1:1 + 14a

 

[Seeker47]

Thank you... it is a bit of a standard reply to these matters...

I did wonder though, if what you said here is correct:

Tabernacles (Sukkot) celebrates Christ’s in-gathering of all believers

I have thought it referred to Jesus(/God) coming to temporarily "tabernacle" with His people .

Some do believe the timing of this feast was fulfilled with the incarnation (birth) of Jesus .

John 1:1 + 14a

I am no expert, but if you consider all the feasts in their order, I think it very well may be the final in-gathering of believers. The feasts (at least to me) lead up to Christ's second coming, the culmination of history, when all believers will be gathered.

 

[ResidentAlien]

In Exodus 12:14 and in Leviticus 23 the instructions are from God.

I've never been led by the Holy Spirit to keep the feasts. I went through a Jewish roots phase for awhile when I thought I should; but eventually I realized it wasn't the Holy Spirit. I imagine this is why most Christians "disregard His instructions" from the Torah.

 

[Magenta]

I am no expert, but if you consider all the feasts in their order, I think it very well may be the final in-gathering of believers.
The feasts (at least to me) lead up to Christ's second coming, the culmination of history, when all believers will be gathered.

You could be right .. And gotquestions (<= link) agrees with you as well .. (Some may find that page informative)

I still wonder, though, because when Christ returns our dwelling with Him and vice versa will be forevermore, not temporary...

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

I know keeping God’s appointed feasts is not a requirement for salvation. That is not the issue…
…but why does Christ’s church totally disregard His instructions?

Romans 14 goes into some detail about "days of significance". i.e. they're unimportant

 

[Seeker47]

I've never been led by the Holy Spirit to keep the feasts. I went through a Jewish roots phase for awhile when I thought I should; but eventually I realized it wasn't the Holy Spirit. I imagine this is why most Christians "disregard His instructions" from the Torah.

I am not advocating keeping the feasts, I too believe this is an individual choice and not an issue of salvation. That being said, my question was about the complete silence of the church about the feasts and their importance in understanding Jesus, his mission and especially the end times. This is what I believe is meant by proclaiming the feasts.

For example, we often proclaim the exodus from Egypt, the passing through the water, the wanderings in the desert and the eventual entry into the promised land as an example of God's redemptive will. We use other OT incidents to further understand God and His nature. We use antidotes from Yeshua's life to highlight His nature and mission. Why is something so illustrative and important ignored?

 

[ResidentAlien]

I am not advocating keeping the feasts, I too believe this is an individual choice and not an issue of salvation. That being said, my question was about the complete silence of the church about the feasts and their importance in understanding Jesus, his mission and especially the end times. This is what I believe is meant by proclaiming the feasts.

For example, we often proclaim the exodus from Egypt, the passing through the water, the wanderings in the desert and the eventual entry into the promised land as an example of God's redemptive will. We use other OT incidents to further understand God and His nature. We use antidotes from Yeshua's life to highlight His nature and mission. Why is something so illustrative and important ignored?

There seems to be plenty of teachers out there proclaiming the feasts in relationship to Christ; I've heard a lot of them. Not every believer can be expected to know about the relationship between Christ and the feasts.

But for the record, you said "I too believe this is and individual choice." But I never said I thought it was an individual choice; I can see how maybe it could be taken that way though. The Holy Spirit revealed to me through the scriptures that Christians should avoid trying to please God through Torah observance.

 

[Blik]

@Seeker47 The feasts seem important to you. Therefore, you will likely gain much by studying them and perhaps applying them.

Paul succinctly addressed the veneration of days and he showed that each person, in faith, may give or withhold value to the days according to his or her own conscience:

"5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord."

It's by faith that we live in the Lord. One may or may not apply this faith to the feasts. If you do or do not, do or do not to the Lord and your conscience will be clear.

The feasts are not about valuing days. If it was there would be no Sabbath, or any day for us to celebrate the Lord together.

The feasts are the heart of celebrating God. They are a way of gathering together in celebration, they tell us God's plan of salvation for us, they tell us of times God has acted to give us salvation, and they prophecy what is to come to complete that salvation along with the time of year it will happen.

 

[Aaron56]

The feasts are not about valuing days. If it was there would be no Sabbath, or any day for us to celebrate the Lord together.

The feasts are the heart of celebrating God. They are a way of gathering together in celebration, they tell us God's plan of salvation for us, they tell us of times God has acted to give us salvation, and they prophecy what is to come to complete that salvation along with the time of year it will happen.

Something something “a horse to water” something something.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

The feasts are not about valuing days. If it was there would be no Sabbath, or any day for us to celebrate the Lord together.

The feasts are the heart of celebrating God. They are a way of gathering together in celebration, they tell us God's plan of salvation for us, they tell us of times God has acted to give us salvation, and they prophecy what is to come to complete that salvation along with the time of year it will happen.

Do let those ignorant to the things of YHWH get to you!

Every feast/moadim is about Yahshua/Jesus so that alone makes them really cool and valuable to understand.

Psalm 104:19, “You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times. The sun knows its going down.”

Psalm 35:18, “I will give you thanks in the great congregation: I will praise you among much people.”

 

[Aaron56]

I am not advocating keeping the feasts, I too believe this is an individual choice and not an issue of salvation. That being said, my question was about the complete silence of the church about the feasts and their importance in understanding Jesus, his mission and especially the end times. This is what I believe is meant by proclaiming the feasts.

For example, we often proclaim the exodus from Egypt, the passing through the water, the wanderings in the desert and the eventual entry into the promised land as an example of God's redemptive will. We use other OT incidents to further understand God and His nature. We use antidotes from Yeshua's life to highlight His nature and mission. Why is something so illustrative and important ignored?

I know you to be honest and sincere. If I may make an observation: why observe the “hope” when the reality has already appeared?

 

[Seeker47]

I know you to be honest and sincere. If I may make an observation: why observe the “hope” when the reality has already appeared?

You are right. The feasts serve to remind us that the reality has indeed appeared; the first 4 feasts (the spring feasts) have been fulfilled and we rejoice. The final feasts point to the fulfillment of that reality with the return of Our Savior and the establishment of His Fathers Kingdom. That's the point.