A tattoo

[SonJudgment]

Line by line? Okay.

The first two lines say that I'm going to hell forever if I am not a catholic.

I can't continue on to all the rest of it. I can't get past those first two lines because I'm not a catholic.

That's also why a lot of churches that officially hold that Creed don't talk much about it, to the extent that most of their church members don't really know much about it.

You've already been explained that catholic with the little c means universal not the RCC. Don't try such feeble demonic little deceptions and lies you're not going to save the cult from the Son of God throwing them into Hell for denying his personhood.

Continue, keep going especially about the lines about the Trinity Doctrine. Go each line and each precept state where the cult disagrees, state if they agree even.

 

[faithlife]

Oh are you ready to leave the cult and the modalist doctrine of demons and become a Christian now?

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father infinite; the Son infinite; and the Holy Ghost infinite. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

So do you pray to Mary and the Saints, do the Rosary and maybe go to 'purgatory'?

 

[Lynx]

You've already been explained that catholic with the little c means universal not the RCC. Don't try such feeble demonic little deceptions and lies you're not going to save the cult from the Son of God throwing them into Hell for denying his personhood.

Continue, keep going especially about the lines about the Trinity Doctrine. Go each line and each precept state where the cult disagrees, state if they agree even.

And it has already been explained to you that quibbling over a capitalized letter is a terribly weak debate tactic. Or did you not see those posts?

Those are talking about Catholics buddy. You can't get around it.

 

[SonJudgment]

And it has already been explained to you that quibbling over a capitalized letter is a terribly weak debate tactic. Or did you not see those posts?

Those are talking about Catholics buddy. You can't get around it.

Yea so why do you quibble and strain for that gnat and evade to try to cover for the cult since you know the word catholic means universal and not the RCC?Really want to swallow that camel again? Come on now don't slither it only tightens my grip. First two lines done. Next. Precept on precept line on line. Sentence 3 and 4 next.

And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

 

[Lynx]

Yea so why do you quibble and strain for that gnat and evade to try to cover for the cult since you know the word catholic means universal and not the RCC?Really want to swallow that camel again? Come on now don't slither it only tightens my grip. First two lines done. Next. Precept on precept line on line. Sentence 3 and 4 next.

And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

Catholic definitely means the rcc.

You're not the only one who can use google. And you didn't read far enough down in the Google search results.

Your favorite Creed wasn't even written in the right language for the person who ostensibly wrote it. There is strong doubt it was written in the century people claim it was written in.

It is definitely talking about the Roman Catholic church. And if you are not part of that church, but you hold that creed, you are agreeing to go to hell forever.

Do you actually WANT to go to hell forever?

 

[SonJudgment]

Catholic definitely means the rcc.

You're not the only one who can use google. And you didn't read far enough down in the Google search results.

Your favorite Creed wasn't even written in the right language for the person who ostensibly wrote it. There is strong doubt it was written in the century people claim it was written in.

It is definitely talking about the Roman Catholic church. And if you are not part of that church, but you hold that creed, you are agreeing to go to hell forever.

Do you actually WANT to go to hell forever?

You're wrong, already showed you the definition pages back. Anyone can use google, all Christian denominations hold the Athanasian Creed, not just the RCC.

Why getting frantically deceptive trying to get out of lines 3 and 4? Or does the cult agree with them? You tell me, Lines3 and 4, go, precept upon precept.

And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

 

[Lynx]

You're wrong, already showed you the definition pages back. Anyone can use google, all Christian denominations hold the Athanasian Creed, not just the RCC.

Why getting frantically deceptive trying to get out of lines 3 and 4? Or does the cult agree with them? You tell me, Lines3 and 4, go, precept upon precept.

And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

I'm not holding to the first two lines, so I don't care about the rest.

Are you going to ask me if I believe the Nicene creed?

 

[SonJudgment]

I'm not holding to the first two lines, so I don't care about the rest.

Are you going to ask me if I believe the Nicene creed?

How about line 4? It doesn't have ye olde word for universal in it.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

 

[Lynx]

How about line 4? It doesn't have ye olde word for universal in it.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

Full confession: I've been testing two things. How long I can keep you distracted from talking about tattoos and how long I can keep you posting because you just have to have the last word.

But this is getting boring because you have been repeating yourself for the last few pages. So I'm out. You don't have any more material.

Now you make a post after this and you can get the last word and be happy.

 

[SonJudgment]

Full confession: I've been testing two things. How long I can keep you distracted from talking about tattoos and how long I can keep you posting because you just have to have the last word.

But this is getting boring because you have been repeating yourself for the last few pages. So I'm out. You don't have any more material.

Now you make a post after this and you can get the last word and be happy.

Aw he confesses he's a liar and trying to deceive me and slander me to evade telling the truth about why his cult is going to Hell.

So anyways, back to the Trinity versus the damnation worthy modalism heresy. Line 4 then, does the cult agree, does it disagree, if so where? Line by line, precept by precept just like Isaiah said.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

 

[SonJudgment]

Oh by the way you'll be real blown when you find out the Nicene Creed also has the word Catholic in it, even the proper noun. So it wasn't even a good attempt at deception just fyi.

 

[NightTwister]

Anyone over 40 is a Boomer.

The last birth year for Baby Boomers is 1964. That means the youngest ones are 61. If you're going to advise someone if something, at least try for accuracy.

I'm a Boomer and like others in my generation we're tired of you blaming all of your problems on us. Take some personal responsibility for once.

 

[Lynx]

Oh by the way you'll be real blown when you find out the Nicene Creed also has the word Catholic in it, even the proper noun. So it wasn't even a good attempt at deception just fyi.

But it doesn't say you're going to hell for not being catholic.

 

[Lynx]

Oops. I got the last word.

Quick, make a post and take back your last word!

 

[Lynx]

The last birth year for Baby Boomers is 1964. That means the youngest ones are 61. If you're going to advise someone if something, at least try for accuracy.

I'm a Boomer and like others in my generation we're tired of you blaming all of your problems on us. Take some personal responsibility for once.

Accuracy does not seem to be his forte.

Might as well tell a flea to knock down the empire State building.

 

[SonJudgment]

But it doesn't say you're going to hell for not being catholic.

Neither does the Athanasian Creed.

So Line 4 real pertinent to the Trinity doctrine.

For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.

 

[SonJudgment]

The last birth year for Baby Boomers is 1964. That means the youngest ones are 61. If you're going to advise someone if something, at least try for accuracy.

I'm a Boomer and like others in my generation we're tired of you blaming all of your problems on us. Take some personal responsibility for once.

Yes I know, but the Zoomers still gonna call you Boomers. Guess your generation should not have started the fire. Read the whole comment, or even the whole sentence, hey you could even read the whole topic a few time s over, it's very short.

 

[McShawn]

Accuracy does not seem to be his forte.

Might as well tell a flea to knock down the empire State building.

Something of that magnitude may need the gnat to fly in for aerial support.

 

[legion]

So it was watching a comedy for entertainment...

That's what a troll does. Start a conversation that is calculated to cause argument, for his entertainment.

Of course if I wasn't making posts in this thread I would be playing a video game. So I haven't been wasting any time personally. Or at least I haven't been wasting time that would be otherwise used productively.

Im not trolling I am Learning and drawing out information for all to see. There's a difference. For example, if one thinks im trolling they simple do not have a sophisticated enough intellect to understand what's going on and the wider dynamics of the question.

 

[legion]

iv got tattoos but had them done before I read Scripture that says dont ink your skin but to answer your question if you want heretic on you then I guess you dont mind being known as a heretic.....slipknot did a song of that title....not saying I agree with it but you see things differently after time has passed, like words actions cant be undone and often lead to later life regret.....but my tats are kinda cool lol, take care

If you miss what I was saying as a Christian we are Jewish Heretics and therefore my tattoo would represent that fact albeit perhaps not in everyone's taste.

Also that's just been pointed out before tattoos were forbidden by the Mosaic law and as a gentile convert into Christianity the Mosaic law has never been binding on me and never will be the New Testament does not condemn tattoos in fact it remains silent.

Understanding the Old Testament Covenants and the New Testament covenants goes a long way to solving some of this frustration you may be having about what is and isn't okay for New Testament Christians.