A way to end welfare

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Go by the principle that if a man does not work he will not eat.....make everyone who is getting it to show up to a work program and pick up the trash, clean the ditches, paint the grafitti, mow the grass and weeds along the highways, etc........

Drug test everyone that is on it........etc.
 
Dcon. I think the northeastern States are already doing this. It hasn't ended welfare. I think I'll take a stab at it know.
 
How about this for an Idea. How about we start teaching kids to get payed for the work they do.
 
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Go by the principle that if a man does not work he will not eat.....make everyone who is getting it to show up to a work program and pick up the trash, clean the ditches, paint the grafitti, mow the grass and weeds along the highways, etc........

Drug test everyone that is on it........etc.

I believe Maine has actually done this....Here is an article from the Washington Post that talks about the plan...I think it was implemented this year and a bunch of people may have just dropped out of the program....
 
Look changing welfare isn't going to fix the problem. The parents have desided to be leaches. It's what they want to do and their going to do it as long as they can. We can't change them!!! It's exceptible behavior to them. There lost!!!! The kids are too if we don't do something to help them see a better way. Forget the parents save the children!!!
 
Here are some of the consequences of that change in welfare.
1. The parents are going to get angery. Their not going to take that anger out on their social worker. Their going to take it out on their children. IE beating them and verbal abuse. If their not already.
2. If they stop getting the welfare the children go hungry and become homeless.
3. If they have to go else were. The children loss all of their friends and most of the time most of their things. Cloths toys extra.
When you punish the parents you also punish the children. There is no way around that. Most of the time you punish the children far more then you punish the parents!!!
 
Even though We The People is written somewhere on important papers in Washington, we must not forget that government are God's servants and the people on welfare are His servants as well. Who are we to judge God's servants? We are not to judge outsiders and if people in the church are on welfare we should not look down on them, but instead lend them a hand.
 
Thank you Newlife7!!! Your very right we should do our best to help them as best we can. The best thing to do is to make welfare unwanted and no longer needed. That's what this forum is about. It's not about punishment or looking down it's about love.
 
One more consequence of those changes in welfare.
4. If these people move the children lose all of the positive influences in their lives. Their grand parents, their uncles and aunts, and all the rest of their their relitives. The only exsaples they have left are the kids in the same circumstances as they themselfs are in and their parents.
I don't think that does anything b positive for these children!!!
 
Just a point to add, not sure what it is like in the U.S. but in the UK there are vast numbers of families
in work but also claiming benefits of some form or other.

People tend to assume that only the sick, elderly, disabled and unemployed claim benefits.

But truth be told that if the millions of working families were paid a fair wage, then salaries would not
need to be topped up by benefits.

There is a perennial problem of unscrupulous employers paying peanuts, so much so that the
government has had to bring in a minimum wage. Even that is the bare minimum but
in some ways it has backfired as a lot of employers use it as the bench mark for setting low salaries
rather than seeing it for what it is.

However many employers have even managed to get around that by bringing in zero hour
contracts. In other words they employ you but won't guarantee you any work. This brings massive
instability to people's lives.

Q&A: What are zero-hours contracts? - BBC News

If people were paid a fair day's pay for a fair days work then far less would have to fall back on benefits
and this would save the government millions. As it is the government is propping up people's salaries.

Not sure if there is a similar scenario in the U.S. But in the UK at least, it's not quite so clear cut as
stating people should work for their money. Most are but it amounts to peanut for many.

When people find themselves better off financially on unemployment benefit (despite how low
this is), than they would in work. Then closer attention has to be given to the rate of pay.
 
I believe Maine has actually done this....Here is an article from the Washington Post that talks about the plan...I think it was implemented this year and a bunch of people may have just dropped out of the program....


Just a question on this, is it possible that employers will take on these "volunteers" instead of giving them a
paid job.

We don't have a system like this in the UK, unemployment benefit is paid out as money, but
recipients are required to show evidence they have been looking for work when they get paid.

There has been a lot of contravasy lately where people have been sanctioned for not providing
adequate proof or for not turning up for appointments and have had their benefit stopped
for a few months, so they have had nothing.

Benefit sanctions might just be about punishing the unemployed, MPs warn - UK Politics - UK - The Independent


There are some awful stories though, the above link refers to a disabled man who had a heart
attack during a meeting he was called to and so was sanctioned and had his money stopped simply
because he could not complete the meeting.

The media is littered with other stories for example, of how a woman 5 months pregnant had to
go without food for a week as she had unemployment benefit stopped. Also numerous others
where people were called to interviews but due to exceptional circumstances, could not make it
so had money stopped etc.



 
Just a point to add, not sure what it is like in the U.S. but in the UK there are vast numbers of families
in work but also claiming benefits of some form or other.

People tend to assume that only the sick, elderly, disabled and unemployed claim benefits.

But truth be told that if the millions of working families were paid a fair wage, then salaries would not
need to be topped up by benefits.

There is a perennial problem of unscrupulous employers paying peanuts, so much so that the
government has had to bring in a minimum wage. Even that is the bare minimum but
in some ways it has backfired as a lot of employers use it as the bench mark for setting low salaries
rather than seeing it for what it is.

However many employers have even managed to get around that by bringing in zero hour
contracts. In other words they employ you but won't guarantee you any work. This brings massive
instability to people's lives.

Q&A: What are zero-hours contracts? - BBC News

If people were paid a fair day's pay for a fair days work then far less would have to fall back on benefits
and this would save the government millions. As it is the government is propping up people's salaries.

Not sure if there is a similar scenario in the U.S. But in the UK at least, it's not quite so clear cut as
stating people should work for their money. Most are but it amounts to peanut for many.

When people find themselves better off financially on unemployment benefit (despite how low
this is), than they would in work. Then closer attention has to be given to the rate of pay.

Sounds just like us. People really a better of not getting a real job. They work under the table and collect welfare and or unemployment benefits. Their doing rather well for them self when they do all 3 at once. The wealthy here hold 92℅ of the gross national product. Only 1℅ of the population. 362 million people living off of 8℅ percent of what they earn. That seems perfictle fair to some people. I'm not one of them!!!
 
Just a question on this, is it possible that employers will take on these "volunteers" instead of giving them a
paid job.

We don't have a system like this in the UK, unemployment benefit is paid out as money, but
recipients are required to show evidence they have been looking for work when they get paid.

There has been a lot of contravasy lately where people have been sanctioned for not providing
adequate proof or for not turning up for appointments and have had their benefit stopped
for a few months, so they have had nothing.

Benefit sanctions might just be about punishing the unemployed, MPs warn - UK Politics - UK - The Independent


There are some awful stories though, the above link refers to a disabled man who had a heart
attack during a meeting he was called to and so was sanctioned and had his money stopped simply
because he could not complete the meeting.

The media is littered with other stories for example, of how a woman 5 months pregnant had to
go without food for a week as she had unemployment benefit stopped. Also numerous others
where people were called to interviews but due to exceptional circumstances, could not make it
so had money stopped etc.




Stuff like this happens here to but gets no media attention anymore. We've had unemployment benefits for a very long time. Welfare was started back in the 30s or 40's