Abortion Replaces the Flag

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the same people who think abortion is not murder also think men and women can switch genders at will, and that kids are " blank" on gender when they are born.

then they also say " trust the science"

consistent logic , they are. ( NOT).
You are really "going off the rails"!

a) Abortion is a medical procedure and should remain so between a woman and her physician (and perhaps others). It is not the role of government or anyone else to make that decision.
b) There are situations in which the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, and carrying the baby to term might kill the mother. Do you prefer that both die?
c) Your comment about switching genders is irrelevant to this discussion.

Science should be trusted, not uninformed, biased opinions.
 

Nehemiah6

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Science should be trusted, not uninformed, biased opinions.
Is this said tongue-in-cheek? "The science should be trusted" has already been exposed as a hoax. Nothing about the COVID Scamdemic was based on science -- just pure politics. But don't take my word for it. Ask the cardiologists (worldwide) who are demanding that the bogus vaccines be totally banned.

At Least 1 Billion Dead Or Disabled From Covid Jabs
https://principia-scientific.com/at-least-1-billion-dead-or-disabled-from-covid-jabs/

And check out all the research papers which have been published recently in the same publication.

As to abortion, it is pure murder, and there is absolutely no way to justify infanticide. Another hoax perpetrated by the Supreme Court, and finally shut down as a lie by the same Supreme Court for political advantage.
 

ZNP

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You are really "going off the rails"!

a) Abortion is a medical procedure and should remain so between a woman and her physician (and perhaps others). It is not the role of government or anyone else to make that decision.
b) There are situations in which the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, and carrying the baby to term might kill the mother. Do you prefer that both die?
c) Your comment about switching genders is irrelevant to this discussion.

Science should be trusted, not uninformed, biased opinions.
According to a recent trial by Satanists challenging the right to make abortion illegal they say abortion is a religious ceremony.
 

GaryA

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kinda crazy that abortion has become a priority for single-issue voters.

That’s means the Democrats believe there are enough people who will vote for them based off of their stance on abortion to make abortion a key selling point.

They’re probably not wrong. When you think about it, it’s kinda crazy people are more concerned about murdering babies than other issues like economy, employment, infrastructure, quality of life, and stuff like that.
You don't think that human life is more important than any/all of those other things?????
I don't know how you got from me talking about Democrats to me talking about myself. Read my comment again.
I may have misunderstood the intent of your 'kinda crazy' statement.

I will explain later when I have more time.
Okay, I stand beside that comment. To elaborate, I think it's kinda crazy that single-issue voters see abortion as something that would attract them to the polls. There will be a big turnout by pro-abortionists, and there are many, at the polls next election. I think that's kinda crazy.
First of all, the 'kinda crazy' statement I referred to in my previous post was the last statement you made in your post and not the first one.

At first, I thought you were expressing your own personal opinion - saying that you thought it was 'kinda crazy' that people would be more concerned about [abortion] than the other things you mentioned. I am now thinking that you were saying that you thought it was 'kinda crazy' that [Democrats] are spending most of their thought-and-action 'effort' to [abortion] than the other things...?

If that is a lot closer to your true intent - sorry, I think I read it too fast the first time... :oops:
 

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Abortions is their way of population control.

Which they push homosexuality, transgender, for population reduction.

They try to confuse the children about their gender, and invite them to gay pride events, and drag queen shows.

Which American Girl Doll Company has a book about making the transition to the opposite sex and if they are confused taking puberty blockers until they decide.

Eventually the new age movement will be the operation of the world which they will not allow a man and a woman to come together for population reduction.

Which they believe that they do not have to keep the human race from continuing by birth for they will evolve in which there is no male or female for they are spiritual and will live forever, and there is no single approach to gender and sexuality.

They want to reduce the population so that there is not as many people on Earth when they evolve.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

They interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual, and there is no personal God.

It will eventually be a world wide law that a man and a woman cannot come together.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come the world will not want to hear the Bible according to the truth but the new age movement.
 

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Abortion is a medical procedure
Wrong starting point and not true.

Language does not change reality of the what the procedure accomplishes, the ending of a human life.
 

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b) There are situations in which the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, and carrying the baby to term might kill the mother. Do you prefer that both die?
We can outright dismiss this point as well.
This procedure to save lives predates abortion on demand.

If there is one thing I cannot stand is creating a straw man argument.

It tells me your postion is not based on sound reasoning or morality.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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You are really "going off the rails"!
a) Abortion is a medical procedure and should remain so between a woman and her physician (and perhaps others). It is not the role of government or anyone else to make that decision.
Over 6 million innocent Jews were murdered and we called that a Holocaust. Over 60 million babies have been aborted since Row. That's more than the population of Canada. Abortion is murder, period.


b) There are situations in which the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, and carrying the baby to term might kill the mother. Do you prefer that both die?
Two % of abortions fall in that category. Maybe listen to someone who knows what they're talking about instead of drinking the kool-aide.

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c) Your comment about switching genders is irrelevant to this discussion.

Science should be trusted, not uninformed, biased opinions.
Science should be tested, it should be questioned, it should be discussed, it should be proved. I don't know how old you are but this is the way science has ALWAYS been. Not until that nutcase gain of function Fauci was made a saint overnight did anyone say "I am the science". I hope that comes back to bite right in the ...
 

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Over 6 million innocent Jews were murdered and we called that a Holocaust. Over 60 million babies have been aborted since Row. That's more than the population of Canada. Abortion is murder, period.




Two % of abortions fall in that category. Maybe listen to someone who knows what they're talking about instead of drinking the kool-aide.

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Science should be tested, it should be questioned, it should be discussed, it should be proved. I don't know how old you are but this is the way science has ALWAYS been. Not until that nutcase gain of function Fauci was made a saint overnight did anyone say "I am the science". I hope that comes back to bite right in the ...
all this " trust the science ", the " science is settled' are contradictions to real science.
 
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Abortion is murder. It's an abomination in the eyes of God. If there's one thing that God hates its “shedding of the innocent blood”. Woe to you, to the democrats and Christians who are in favor of that. For one day you will have to answer to God Almighty
 
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Over 6 million innocent Jews were murdered and we called that a Holocaust. Over 60 million babies have been aborted since Row. That's more than the population of Canada. Abortion is murder, period.




Two % of abortions fall in that category. Maybe listen to someone who knows what they're talking about instead of drinking the kool-aide.

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Science should be tested, it should be questioned, it should be discussed, it should be proved. I don't know how old you are but this is the way science has ALWAYS been. Not until that nutcase gain of function Fauci was made a saint overnight did anyone say "I am the science". I hope that comes back to bite right in the ...
Garbage. I'm putting you on ignore. P.S. Koop is dead.
 
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Abortion is murder. It's an abomination in the eyes of God. If there's one thing that God hates its “shedding of the innocent blood”. Woe to you, to the democrats and Christians who are in favor of that. For one day you will have to answer to God Almighty
Simply your (ignorant) opinion.

In you delusion, answer either or both of these questions...

a) Why did God allow Herod to kill all the (living) boys two years of age and younger to be killed?
b) Why did God kill all the firstborn of Egypt, humans and animals?
 

Wansvic

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You are really "going off the rails"!

a) Abortion is a medical procedure and should remain so between a woman and her physician (and perhaps others). It is not the role of government or anyone else to make that decision.
b) There are situations in which the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, and carrying the baby to term might kill the mother. Do you prefer that both die?
c) Your comment about switching genders is irrelevant to this discussion.

Science should be trusted, not uninformed, biased opinions.
Abortion is murder, period. There will be severe consequences for those who participate in such atrocity unless they repent.

"For thou didst form my inward parts: Thou didst cover me in my mother's womb.
I will give thanks unto thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: Wonderful are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
My frame was not hidden from thee, when I was made in secret, (and) curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; and in thy book they were all written, (even) the days that were ordained (for me), when as yet there was none of them.
How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! How great is the sum of them!" Ps 139:13-17
 
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Abortion is murder, period. There will be severe consequences for those who participate in such atrocity unless they repent.

"For thou didst form my inward parts: Thou didst cover me in my mother's womb.
I will give thanks unto thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: Wonderful are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
My frame was not hidden from thee, when I was made in secret, (and) curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; and in thy book they were all written, (even) the days that were ordained (for me), when as yet there was none of them.
How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! How great is the sum of them!" Ps 139:13-17
LOL!!! This is total nonsense!

I asked Salgado these questions, but you can also reply...

a) Why did God allow Herod to kill all the (living) boys two years of age and younger to be killed?
b) Why did God kill all the firstborn of Egypt, humans and animals?
 
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Every one of the states that banned abortion after "roe" was over turned, included in the ban an exclusion for medical necessity, and made it purely the doctors discretion.
Which invalidates all the medical necessity arguements, about women being denyed necessary medical proceedures.
Also, when you look at the days during "roe", less than 1% of the abortions performed we due to medical necessity. Less than 3% were all the rape and incest claims. Which means that the by far and away vast majority were performed as an elective discretion.
There is zero justification for the outrage.
 

ZNP

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LOL!!! This is total nonsense!

I asked Salgado these questions, but you can also reply...

a) Why did God allow Herod to kill all the (living) boys two years of age and younger to be killed?
b) Why did God kill all the firstborn of Egypt, humans and animals?
How arrogant, people ask you questions and you put them on <ignore> and yet you ask others questions. As you have done it will be done to you.
 

ZNP

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Simply your (ignorant) opinion.

In you delusion, answer either or both of these questions...

a) Why did God allow Herod to kill all the (living) boys two years of age and younger to be killed?
b) Why did God kill all the firstborn of Egypt, humans and animals?
How arrogant, people ask you questions and you put them on <ignore> and yet you ask others questions. As you have done it will be done to you.
 

Wansvic

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LOL!!! This is total nonsense!

I asked Salgado these questions, but you can also reply...

a) Why did God allow Herod to kill all the (living) boys two years of age and younger to be killed?
b) Why did God kill all the firstborn of Egypt, humans and animals?
You dare to equate the rebellious acts of human beings who choose to have their unborn children murdered, with the acts of the righteous God Almighty? Wow! You may want to reconsider. Those who question God's motives are barking up the wrong tree as expressed by God Himself:


"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
39 Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve?
2 Canst thou number the months that they fulfil? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?
3 They bow themselves, they bring forth their young ones, they cast out their sorrows.
4 Their young ones are in good liking, they grow up with corn; they go forth, and return not unto them.
5 Who hath sent out the wild ass free? or who hath loosed the bands of the wild ass?
6 Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren land his dwellings.
7 He scorneth the multitude of the city, neither regardeth he the crying of the driver.
8 The range of the mountains is his pasture, and he searcheth after every green thing.
9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
11 Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?
12 Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?
13 Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?
14 Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust,
15 And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.
16 She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not hers: her labour is in vain without fear;
17 Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.
18 What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.
19 Hast thou given the horse strength? hast thou clothed his neck with thunder?
20 Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? the glory of his nostrils is terrible.
21 He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength: he goeth on to meet the armed men.
22 He mocketh at fear, and is not affrighted; neither turneth he back from the sword.
23 The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield.
24 He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet.
25 He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.
26 Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south?
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

40 Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said,
2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
3 Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth
..." Job 38:2-40:4