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Kerry
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Jesus don't want a women who is beat in the face everyday to get divorced? Would you stand and take it?
Abuse and the Chruch
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Jesus don't want a women who is beat in the face everyday to get divorced? Would you stand and take it?
Divorce is only a symptom, the result of an unhealthy and ungodly marriage. Marriages can only be good if BOTH partners are committed to each other and yielded to the Lord.
Jesus hates divorce because one or both members of the marriage are refusing to allow Him to lead their lives. It is tragic. It is painful. But the root of the problem is someone refusing to yield to the Lord, not that an abused person sought safety.
YOU DON'T STAY IN AN ABUSIVE SITUATION TO AVOID A DIVORCE.
Do you really think that our Savior who loved us so much that He suffered and died for us would place marital status in priority over one of His children being abused? We are precious to Him. And woe to the man or woman who would dare to hurt any child of God.
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2Thewaters
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Mark 10:2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him?
NO
Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
NO!
1 Cor 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Cor 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
Yes this excuse of being ABUSED is reason for divorce is against Jesus word of god.
1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
2 Cor 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
2 Cor 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
2 Cor 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2 Cor 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2 Cor 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
2 Cor 11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
2 Cor 11:29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
2 Cor 11:30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
Inspiration is clear
this is adultery to divorce because of abuse.
you may separate fror a time but not divorce
NO
Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
NO!
1 Cor 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Cor 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
Yes this excuse of being ABUSED is reason for divorce is against Jesus word of god.
1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
2 Cor 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
2 Cor 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
2 Cor 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2 Cor 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2 Cor 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
2 Cor 11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
2 Cor 11:29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
2 Cor 11:30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
Inspiration is clear
this is adultery to divorce because of abuse.
you may separate fror a time but not divorce
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2Thewaters
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Mat 5:32
But
I (Jesus christ God almighty)
say unto you,
That whosoever shall
DIVORCE
his wife,
saving for the cause of fornication,
causeth her to commit adultery:
and whosoever shall marry her
that is divorced
committeth adultery.
I tell you the devil is so sneaky, coming up with these tear jerker reasons to sin against God.
thou shalt not divorce unless the spouse commits adultery and even then
thou shalt never INITIATE THE DIVORCE FOR ANY REASON!
But
I (Jesus christ God almighty)
say unto you,
That whosoever shall
DIVORCE
his wife,
saving for the cause of fornication,
causeth her to commit adultery:
and whosoever shall marry her
that is divorced
committeth adultery.
I tell you the devil is so sneaky, coming up with these tear jerker reasons to sin against God.
thou shalt not divorce unless the spouse commits adultery and even then
thou shalt never INITIATE THE DIVORCE FOR ANY REASON!
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Kerry
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J-Kay-2
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I have been told because my husband is head of our home I am being
bullied. This makes me ask, what is the difference between bullying
or abused? I used to be afraid of my father, even though her never
beat me, but he was the 'boss.' And we did not dare rest if we got
tired. Then I marry a wonderful man, and I have been for 50 years.
I never felt like I could be myself, always afraid of saying the wrong
thing, getting into trouble for speaking to other men. I have always
been an extrovert. But, I sometimes would forget myself and have
conversation in waiting room, etc. Even in my dreams I was always
losing my identity. But, now I am not afraid to say to him, "I am
going to lie down for a while." He really is a wonderful husband who
loves me. I would say when the person said to me he is a 'bully,'
it did anger me. I just feel he is my head, as Christ is over the
Church. Yes, words have hurt me. But I am not perfect either.
There are always 2 sides to a coin isn't there? I do pray for those
whose husbands or even wives, who as they age and begin to see
signs of dementia. That is another topic for another time.
Still married. Thanking God my husband has provided well and
loves me in spite of my faults.
bullied. This makes me ask, what is the difference between bullying
or abused? I used to be afraid of my father, even though her never
beat me, but he was the 'boss.' And we did not dare rest if we got
tired. Then I marry a wonderful man, and I have been for 50 years.
I never felt like I could be myself, always afraid of saying the wrong
thing, getting into trouble for speaking to other men. I have always
been an extrovert. But, I sometimes would forget myself and have
conversation in waiting room, etc. Even in my dreams I was always
losing my identity. But, now I am not afraid to say to him, "I am
going to lie down for a while." He really is a wonderful husband who
loves me. I would say when the person said to me he is a 'bully,'
it did anger me. I just feel he is my head, as Christ is over the
Church. Yes, words have hurt me. But I am not perfect either.
There are always 2 sides to a coin isn't there? I do pray for those
whose husbands or even wives, who as they age and begin to see
signs of dementia. That is another topic for another time.
Still married. Thanking God my husband has provided well and
loves me in spite of my faults.
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2Thewaters
Guest
You are being told by a demon possessed person you are being bulllied
cut off from anyone talking like that
in fact leave that church
you are being bulllied all right
you are getting seeds of doubt ant anti word of God
separate fspiritually from them they are totally dead.
cut off from anyone talking like that
in fact leave that church
you are being bulllied all right
you are getting seeds of doubt ant anti word of God
separate fspiritually from them they are totally dead.
When we get married, we vow certain things before the Lord.
-love
-honor
-cherish, among other things
An abuser breaks these vows with every manipulation, rape, slap, and threat. The victim does not break the vow by leaving because the vow is already broken. A divorce just makes sure that the victim has some amount of legal protection.
-love
-honor
-cherish, among other things
An abuser breaks these vows with every manipulation, rape, slap, and threat. The victim does not break the vow by leaving because the vow is already broken. A divorce just makes sure that the victim has some amount of legal protection.
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tucksma
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Divorce is never a "okay" but it is sometimes necessary because of the hardness of our hearts. When you break a marriage you are breaking an oath to God, and should ALWAYS try to work it out. Sometimes though, in few and rare cases, it is needed because of our sinful nature! It is never "okay" but is needed in a few relatively rare cases.
Mat 19:8 He said to them, "It was because you were so hard-hearted that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
I think that all of God must be considered when we decide how Christ wants us to act. Many times in scripture, God shows that he does not want any person to abuse another, and God helps the down trodden. It isn't only the marriage ceremony that makes us one with a partner, but sex that does it. Once we become one with another, we are not to break that bond, if no one was hard hearted. We would not be abused is no one was hard hearted.
We live in a world where God's law is flaunted. Those of us who are of the elect must manage to choose between what isn't right, with God's direction. It is not right to be struck by a partner. It is not right to divorce. We have to choose.
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tripsin
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A divorce don't protect you from anything. The two should be separated and council given to each to find the root problem and then work on the solution to reconcile the marriage. After all why did they marry in the first place, to get divorced?
A divorce means that if X breaks into my house that I bought myself, I can shoot him as an intruder. If we were married, it would be murder. So yes, divorce does grant a certain amount of protection that I did not have in marriage.
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tucksma
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...It would be murder either way wouldn't it? The bible says do not kill. There is no exception clause to my knowledge.
Edit: off topic i know but my family actually had this brought up recently.
Edit: off topic i know but my family actually had this brought up recently.
What you just said is called pre meditated murder. Whether it's your X or husband the definition of murder stands the same, and you may get away with it by mens traditions, but you won't by Gods. And who says he won't shoot you first. Divorce is not meant for protection and never was, it was so you could be free to marry someone else by man's laws but you can live separate all your life and not get divorced.
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tucksma
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Have a verse? I'm just curious. I know that is the law of the land, but Jesus says if we are hit on one cheek, turn the other.
I use this same principal with murder. I look at all murder as sinful, because there is no self defense clause to scripture. It also doesn't say thou shall not murder it says thou shall not kill. Self defense (in this example) includes killing.
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tripsin
Guest
How exactly would I premeditate my exhusband's breaking into my own house? =P
Read the Old Testament. God actually commanded the genocide of several nations. Also, Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: 2 a time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
3 a time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 a time to seek, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 a time to tear, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 a time to love, and a time to hate;
a time for war, and a time for peace.
Not quite as Kumbaya as you thought, huh?