Account of the Creation - what was it really about?

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Truthseer

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Have you ever noticed that the account of the Creation in Genesis is a little bit puzzling? For instance: There are 6 days, but the 24hr day isn't created until the 4th day. Where is the light coming from? It's not coming from God, as God is not form but spirit. He creates everything in this account, so it stands to reason that He is not a celestial object. He doesn't even say the light is a star, and the sun isn't mentioned until the 4th day, so what is it? It’s also, however, logical to assume that God wouldn’t create the Earth before the sun, and then have the planets revolving around the sun.
Also unusual is that the land is evidently already there, and appears out of the water. Why? God doesn’t mention creating it. The water is already there too, being there from the beginning. The “spirit of God” is moving over the waters, probably heating things up in some way we don’t understand. Something seems to be heating up the land and water, and the plants seem to be growing back. God evidently isn't creating them, because the Earth is bringing forth the plants with seeds in them, and seeds were obviously in the ground already to bring the plants forth, indicating God had previously created them.
The first thing that God creates in the narration of the Genesis account is the “firmament” that divides the waters, with the lower water being seas, and the upper water possibly a canopy, or veil of clouds permanently fixed on top of the troposphere. What is this firmament? It must mean the atmosphere, but why is God creating that? Did the atmosphere disappear somehow? We should note here that the word used for “create” is “way·ya·‘aś”, the word for “made” in Hebrew. (“way” means “and”).
On the 4th “day”, God creates the sun, moon, and stars. The sun and the moon are for day and night, God says. This means that the first three days are either not 24hr days, or the sun is partially visible on the first day, and is only seen clearly on the 4th day. I think this is the actual case. It would provide light enough until the smoke cleared, and the sun was able to shine completely. Once again, the Hebrew word used for creating is “way·ya·‘aś”.
God then creates birds, whales and fish, and specifically mentions the whales, or some kind of gigantic water creatures. God wouldn’t likely create dinosaurs again, in or out of water. Their time was over. He left remnants of them just to give us some excitement, and to know partially what they looked like. I think only whales and a few large sharks were inferred. It’s important to point out here that the Hebrew word used here is way·yiḇ·rā, the word for “create”. Yibra and bara are very close or identical in meaning. The next and last time this word is used in the Bible is when God creates Adam. Interesting! We know that the heavens and Earth were created out of nothing. As well, Adam was a new creature formed out of the ground. Does God have to create the whales from “scratch”, so to speak? After all, they are mammals in water, and there may have been nothing else like them before they appeared.
God at that time also created birds and fish, and lots of them. This would make sense if an asteroid collision killed off a lot of the fish and fowl, and the sea dinosaurs that remained didn’t have enough food to eat, and so they died off eventually. Yes, I believe that the account of the Creation was the asteroid collision that occurred 65,000,000 years ago, ending the dinosaur age, and starting the age of mammals. The reason I believe this is because it fits the scenario perfectly. Why are the dinosaurs not mentioned in Moses account? Why aren’t the microscopic creatures like bacteria mentioned, as well as the insect kingdoms? Bacteria were here for 2 billion years before plants or anything else began growing. There were also two ages of fish. The first fish were heavily armored, and nothing like today’s fish. The whales according to science suddenly appeared 50 million years ago. This is not very long after the asteroid hit, in geologic time. Birds appear in the sky, but are much different now than in the dinosaur days.
After this on the 6h day, God created the “beasts of the field”, a description referring undoubtedly to the age of mammals, who became the dominant creatures. Mammals existed during the Jurassic period as well, but were very small. Then suddenly there were mammals everywhere of all kinds. The dinosaurs couldn’t recoup, and some scientists think they were already gone for the most part before the asteroid hit, having succumbed to other environmental factors. However, some dinosaur relatives still exist today, such as the alligator, turtle, snake, and certain fishes. Mammals ranged from creeping things like rodents to hominids like gigantopithecus, the giant ape. Hominins (animals who looked like people) would be included in the mammal age, only they’re not mentioned, probably because Moses had no word to call them by.
Scientists believe that the asteroid impact plunged the Earth into darkness for a number of years before the dust settled and things returned to normal. When the atmosphere began to clear up, you would first see the sun shining through weakly. Then the moon and stars would be visible in the sky at night, as on the 4th day. The darkness on the face of the deep might include ice sheets, as the darkness would lower the temperature of the planet significantly. As the planet warmed, the ice melted, the waters evaporated, and the land appeared once more.
The impact affected the whole planet, but it is important to remember that the Israelites of Moses time didn’t have a planetary concept, and God had no intention of giving them one. They were primitives, and many of them couldn’t handle the fact that the Earth is actually round. Indeed, they had no use for a planetary concept, as they weren’t going into space anytime soon. This why the Creation was given in the manner that it was. The Hebrew word for “earth” was “eres” or “hares”, which meant “land”, and not the planet. When the Flood occurred, the same word was used. The “four corners of the earth” meant the “land”, not the planet.
This explanation makes sense, and I believe that due to the timing of the whales’ appearance and the lack of mention of the dinosaurs, but with a definite mention of mammals, the asteroid impact of 65 million years ago is the correct geological event for the account of the Creation. In addition, the two different words used for “creation” and some parts of our world being already there indicate that God was not creating the planet from “scratch”, but reviving it.
What were the six days for, if not the actual time of Creation? Partially, I believe it was to tell us what is going on with the sun emerging on the 1st day, and then all lights including the sun shining on the 4th day, but with an evening and a morning for the 1st day. It doesn’t make sense unless dust is blocking the sky, and only the sun can shine through. But I think it was also to prophesy the first coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the 6,000th year, with the 1st day having an evening and a morning, that is, 5500 years from Adam to Christ, with a blank or dark 500 years with no Adam totaling 6000 years. I know this is provocative, but I do believe I have hit on the final answer here.
 
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I'm only going to reply to a few of your musings, as I believe they will be enough to start a conversation with you. Let's read Genesis to answer some of your first questions.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

So, the earth is not yet in its current state, as it was formless and empty. But there was water. Water which he later forms to be the seas, lakes, etc. Then he commands light into existence. That is the first day. The first day was created on the first day, certainly not four days in. This is a general form of light, whereas on the fourth day he creates the sun, moon and the stars. So the light now has the forms that we see today, and at night. The land does not come from the water, it is created by God's word. There wasn't even a sky or an atmosphere, just space. That's when God created the sky on the second day. It went from being a formless "vault" to the sky. And actually, the first thing that God created was the heavens and the earth. The void, the vault, the light and the dark.

There are some discrepancies with your reasoning, but that is purely by which Bible translation a person uses, so there's no fault to be had. Which is why in the version I use, it says that God created the water to... "let the water teem with living creatures". It does not go into the specifics that you read, because it's the New International Version. I always thought translations were interesting.

As we are of the same religion, I hope this was enlightening to you.
 

Truthseer

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No it wasn't. Actually I don't think you know very much. It's easy to use the God stamp and just make up anything when you don't understand God or Creation. First let's establish that God created the heavens and Earth. The Israelites didn't have a planetary concept, as they were primitives. "Earth" meant the "land". The asteroid that hit the Earth did hit the planet, so God is now fixing it! The planet was still there, but the surface had become void and lifeless for the most part. God didn't infer that the planet didn't exist. As to your statement about the water, it can't provide a foundation for the earth. Most of the planet is metal and molten rock. If water existed first, it would have burned off immediately. It doesn't make sense anyway to create water before the foundation for it. The land is appearing because the water is evaporating and going up to make a canopy of water vapor.
As for the light, there is no such thing as "generalized" light. Light by its nature is directional, and God has no space or time coordinate, so it's not God. It must be a celestial object, which would be included in the 4th Day also. The firmament may have been a resupplying of the atmosphere, which was partially ripped away by the
collision. The whales were created after the collision. So were the new types of birds. I've already written about that. Moreover, your reasoning is illogical and fanciful, and is not exactly what God said. It's the same reason you believe in a six 24hr day creation. You believe what you're told by people. You belong to a religion, so you must know all about it. Only you don't. It takes many years of learning, not just reading. We have the original Hebrew to read from. Translational versions don't matter. Anything else you want to know
 
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Unfortunately, I can see that we don't have the same religion. So in an effort to follow the rules, I cannot continue this discourse with you. The rules state we aren't allowed to try and change other's beliefs. I thought we both believed the same, but this does not seem to be the case. God bless you.