exactly but Adam wasnt doing a good job of taking care of it thats why God punished Adam chucked him out the garden to toil for a living. Adam couldnt even ID the fruit properly and was too lazy to pick his own.
Adam was not deceived but chose to eat of the forbidden tree. Why?
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IMO scripture implies both Adam and Eve are very intelligent and wise, and that Satan's deception of her is an exceptionally cunning act.
The point of Genesis 2-4 is not that God's intital very good creation is populated by imbeciles. That is very much not-the-case.
I agree. I was trying to emphasize that Jesus didn't come to save societies, but rather he came for each and every individual. I guess I failed, yet again, to do that.... or did I...
I can't say for sure this is an accurate summary of the events and characters in the garden but it did get me thinking some about a few things. Such things as concerning the inherent 'functions?' of men and women within a marriage union that is typical to generating life. I.e., the man is a giver (and protector) of that which the woman is a receiver (and nurturer), and they raise their child up together unto his or her own life...
Could this have something to do with exactly what went wrong? God gave Adam Eve and Eve gave Adam the fruit... could this be where the proverbial ball is dropped? What might've been different if Adam had given Eve fruit from the tree of life before the serpent had his chance to tempt her with the fruit of the tree of tkogae?
I agree. I was trying to emphasize that Jesus didn't come to save societies, but rather he came for each and every individual. I guess I failed, yet again, to do that.... or did I...
One of the more famous Sword Verses, this verse is actually what I searched for to find the avatar picture.
Matthew 10:34
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
It is a little off topic but the Sword also makes his first appearance in the Fateful Chapter of Genesis 3
well, that is how I was reading it
your mileage may vary
I dont think they were very smart, but then the world was new and they had no idea about all the booby traps satan was setting them up for.
The interesting thing was God had a back up plan but it would take thousand of years before they would learn what it was. Though a thousand years is just one day to God, so it didnt seem very long to Him.
My alternative ending would have been
Adam had more brains (or actually USED them) and he saw what was happening with Eve and the conversation she was having with the serpent, and called out to God and said thats not right you lying snake!
Then they didnt eat the forbidden fruit. Crisis averted.
Adam had more brains (or actually USED them) and he saw what was happening with Eve and the conversation she was having with the serpent, and called out to God and said thats not right you lying snake!
Then they didnt eat the forbidden fruit. Crisis averted.
Nobody would go to see that movie or, if they did, they would come out of it saying, "Ugh, that was the worst movie I've ever seen." I would make it to #1 on the all-time worst movies list. Awful.
Please bear with me while I process my thoughts as I attempt to address any contributions of thought each poster has taken the time to offer. I do appreciate each of them but keep in mind that approaches to individual subjects differ from individual to individual. At face value, most people will look right, especially if a statement is presented with such 'certainty.' However, spiritual things are not so readily seen so, again, thank you for suffering my laborious technique in receiving what otherwise seems to me to be a merely a long held tradition of interpretation.
Scripture tells us that God formed Adam from the ground and told him that he may eat of any tree of the garden but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the LORD God said, it is not good for man to be alone, and formed every beast of the field and bird of the air out of the ground and brought them to Adam to name but for Adam no suitable helper was found among those. So, from flesh of Adam's flesh and bone of Adam's bone, God formed whom Adam called 'woman' for out of him she was taken. And ever since man and woman have united to become one flesh. (I'd like to note here 'what of the spirit' and perhaps revisit that).
Jumping ahead to the punishment of mankind, I think I could summarize the woman's as she being confounded by the man, from which she came, and the man being confounded by the ground, from which he came.
Because he listened to her voice, and I think we all agree that is instead of the voice of God, God caused the ground to confound him. So, does it follow the same line of reasoning that God caused Adam to confound her desire because she listened to the voice of the serpent rather than the voice of Adam? and is now 'commanded' to? when he said nothing in the first place as she saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes (had fruit that looked good) and was desirable for gaining wisdom... and Adam was with her, listening to her.
Yes, I often forget I that others might view me unique
, and was only going by deduction. I'm not necessarily trying to change God's order of things as trying to improve the understanding of it and thereby everyone's, in general, quality of life.
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I would rather see that than have to sit through thousand years of blood and gore...!.
I mean come on, you really want to see -Cain kill Abel and Adam and Eve just standing by doing nothing? traumatise, desentsitise us with violence AND fall asleep?
Id be like Adam! what a hero you saved the entire planet from the evil serpent threat, now cut down that nasty tree and make us a nice fragrant fire to burn and we can eat a fruit salad while we name the animals Bob, Jessica and Lucinda
I imagine the movie would be like a claymation and starring Sean the sheep as the true hero (though Adam seems to take the credit for everything)
Sean wouldnt be sacrificed, he'd just get shorn every so often and provide Adam and Eve with woolly jumpers when it got cold sometimes. They would multiply but the movie wouldnt show any graphic scenes of coupling it would just be behind the scenes movie magic. Also, not just Cain and Abel but it would also show daughters and they would be living their best life too and not one of pain. and sorrow
Sean wouldnt be sacrificed, he'd just get shorn every so often and provide Adam and Eve with woolly jumpers when it got cold sometimes. They would multiply but the movie wouldnt show any graphic scenes of coupling it would just be behind the scenes movie magic. Also, not just Cain and Abel but it would also show daughters and they would be living their best life too and not one of pain. and sorrow
I would say a majority of bible students consider God's words to Adam and Eve to be curse so I followed the series of curses starting with the serpent and the ground, to that of Cain. And then I encountered Lamech naming his son Noah saying, "May this one comfort us in the labor and toil of our hands caused by the ground that the LORD has cursed (Gen 5:29)," along with a cross reference to Rom 8:20, "For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope," that continues with v.21, "that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God."
Although I won't say that Adam and Eve were cursed exactly the same as the serpent, perhaps with light from v.21's "subjected to futility," it was in the same way as the ground was cursed "for your sake."
So, this brings me to imagine what "creation itself (will be) set free from the bondage of decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God" would look, sound, or even feel like....
v.22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.
v.23 Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
v.24 For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see?
v.25 But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
I see Noah here and there among all the Lamech who, btw, died in the flood.
Although I won't say that Adam and Eve were cursed exactly the same as the serpent, perhaps with light from v.21's "subjected to futility," it was in the same way as the ground was cursed "for your sake."
So, this brings me to imagine what "creation itself (will be) set free from the bondage of decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God" would look, sound, or even feel like....
v.22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.
v.23 Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
v.24 For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see?
v.25 But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
I see Noah here and there among all the Lamech who, btw, died in the flood.
