Alive and Remaining, the end of an age, the beginning of a day

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Are we to look for Christ to come at ANY MOMENT? YES.
Is He coming to meet us? YES.
Can He come at any time? YES
Does He come to those who look for Him? YES
Will He be taking us to Heaven? YES
Should we ALWAYS be ready? YES

ARE all these things ABSOLUTELY GODS TRUTH and are they WRITTEN? ABSOLUTELY.

AND, If you have come to FAITH and believe that Jesus the Messiah the only Begotten Son of God, the Word made flesh, born from above, born of water, born of woman and walked among us was rejected, crucified and first fruits of them that slept, RAISED from the dead, the propitiation for the sins of the world, rent the veil, opened the graves descended to preach to those who slept, ascended leading the captivity captive and brought in the New Covenant willingly as the Lamb of God the infinite value of His shed blood, opening salvation to the gentiles to become joint heirs and partakers with Israel in the promises of God, freeing us from the bonds of sin and death then went to prepare a place for us so that we could be where He is, which is at the right hand of GOD in HEAVEN who will return as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS to reign and rule the nations on earth with a rod of iron at the 2nd Advent culminating in all evil being blotted out in the lake of fire ushering in the New Heaven and Earth in which we will all attend the wedding feast as the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven and GOD will dwell among us

it will happen to you.

Why are all those TRUTH? because
Hebrews 9:25 Nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others 6 For then must He often have suffered since the foundation of the world but now once in the end of the world hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Death comes to us all and when we die Christ comes to meet us and to take us to the Father. (Scriptures below)

Death, then comes judgment. This is appointed to all men. This is never appointed to a group...


SAVE the ONE TIME mentioned.

We MUST ask ourselves

WHAT is it that makes those who are 'alive and remaining' DIFFERENT from every other soul and from every other generation who has ever walked the face of the earth? (save 2)

What is it that makes it possible for DEATH NOT TO COME FIRST, BUT FOR JUDGMENT TO COME FIRST and for there to be no death at all, but a 'catching up' and a 'being forever with the Lord'?


A JUDGMENT has TAKEN place PRIOR TO THIS EVENT because TO BE EVER WITH THE LORD is TO HAVE RECEIVED AKA BEEN GIVEN

IMMORTALITY.


What is it that makes this different?
WHY an entire group?
Why all at the same time?

This is what the pre tribulation doctrine does not ever address adequately and also where this doctrine comes into direct conflict with WHAT is written in many many places.

We read the judgments of the churches by Christ Jesus and clearly see there is very little in there worthy of IMMORTALITY. There is very little in the judgment of the churches worthy of much at all. In fact, the churches don't seem very different than those they were brought in for to make jealous T when salvation was opened up to everyone. The 'the Jews' under the law with no Holy Spirit had in part been blinded for almost the exact same things the Church, UNDER GRACE and having received the HOLY SPIRIT is now saying they will be raptured and given immortality for.

How could that ever be considered JUST?

And how is it POSSIBLE to have FAITH in the power of God to 'rapture' the church, BUT NOT have faith in His power to keep or deliver from evil taking place on the earth?

Has there ever been one time that a soul was taken to heaven to be 'delivered' from evil or tribulation? NO.
Has there ever been one time that a soul was taken to heaven to be 'kept' safe? NO
Has there ever been a time when God thought that persecution was bad for us? NO

As a matter of fact just the OPPOSITE is written about it. And it is God who sends it in the first place.

We are promised affliction and tribulation and all the rest when we come to FAITH. He tells us if it gets to be too much He will give us an escape. Is that for the final generation ONLY? NO and never once is it written that is done by ending our life on earth.
There have been TWO souls taken to heaven without dying. In both cases THEIR WORK WAS FINISHED and most likely they are returning to suffer death themselves.

So yes, look for the Lord to return at any minute, be ready and watching always because DEATH is coming to us all. And upon that death, if you have faith, then Christ is coming to meet you. A 'pre tribulation rapture' of sorts if you will.


John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

We know where He is going. Where He is going is where a place is being prepared.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

He will come to receive us. We will go to be where He is.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

He will BRING US TO THE FATHER, not will we wait for them to come and get us later
 
WHAT is it that makes those who are 'alive and remaining' DIFFERENT from every other soul and from every other generation who has ever walked the face of the earth? (save 2)

What is it that makes it possible for DEATH NOT TO COME FIRST, BUT FOR JUDGMENT TO COME FIRST and for there to be no death at all, but a 'catching up' and a 'being forever with the Lord'?


A JUDGMENT has TAKEN place PRIOR TO THIS EVENT because TO BE EVER WITH THE LORD is TO HAVE RECEIVED AKA BEEN GIVEN

IMMORTALITY.


GODS ELECT, that is who the is written to. Saints/set as

1Thessalonians 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. 6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit. 7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.


10 And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
HOW are we 'delivered' from Gods wrath? It is so simple and needs nothing added. BY FAITH. When we come to faith, we are made a new creature, a Christian. The Holy Spirit within US, THAT ALONE STOPS WRATH from falling upon us. It is so simple, how could it ever be made into some confusing thing hard to understand and to be debated to no end.

All it takes is the gospel armor, that alone snatches us away from the snares of the devil. That alone removes all temptation to believe the lies and be taken in by the deception a flood of them coming from the mouth of Satan. God words it in Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Having TRUTH renders lies impotent. Having Truth makes us see clearly what is taking place. It makes us aware of what is right and what is wrong. We don't believe lies when we possess the truth, we also can't be taken by deception the same way. We can not be overcome, we have studied to show approved.

There we stand, lying signs and wonders taking place, looking like miracles of God. The person right next to us sees these 'miracles' taking place and having no knowledge BELIEVES their own eyes. At that point we stand no chance of leading them to the truth, we can't TELL them they are wrong, it is all fake, a deception, their minds have been made up. They believe the delusion, it is their truth. NOT until the BRIGHTNESS of the Lord 'illuminates' and exposes will they be able to see.
 
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

When came a Deliverer?

Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. 11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed (JEWS?)12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned (CHURCH?) 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

One reason the 'church' might go through the tribulation

Deuteronomy 29:2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land 3 The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles 4 Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

Deuteronomy 29:13 That He may establish thee to day for a people unto Himself, and that He may be unto thee a God, as He hath said unto thee, and as He hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. 14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath 15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day

PARTAKERS, JOINT HEIRS

1Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

one in the same and another reason

1Thessalonians 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. 4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.



Over and over again it is repeated suffer tribulation, salvation maybe a free, but it isn't easy
 
1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end He may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father,

at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.


1Thessalonians 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you 12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.


We see this with every twist imaginable when He returns the body comes back to life meaning no one goes or it is the church returning which would mean that someone goes...etc..

Those who die go to be with CHRIST, where He is and they come back when He does. That is what is written and that is what fits.

THIS IS THE 'church', the body of Christ, those who have been martyred (souls under altar) our fellow servants, saints etc.

What it is NOT, is a group of people, who were taken to heaven all together, before dying, so as they did not go through tribulation.

IF there was any way to make this say that, it would have been done. It hasn't because it can't.


1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

No stopping the dead from being raised to go to the place prepared for us now that Christ, the FIRST FRUITS of those who slept WHEN the graves opened and those of the led captivity captive


Those returning in GODS ARMY are going to meet up with those who are ALIVE AND REMAINING on that DAY

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first

WHY the trump of GOD? Because an AGE is ending and a NEW DAY is to begin and all the kingdoms of the world will become His.

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

THAT's immortality. THAT is something the BRIGHTNESS of Christ doesn't destroy.

THAT MEANS THEY DID NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST.