All 7 trumpets have been blown, big discovery! Thoughts?

[Ahwatukee]

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets- Revelation 10:7

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Collosians 1:26..

... "It is finished"...?

Hello GrafedBranch,

The meaning of this, is not that everything ends right there at Rev.10:7, but that when the 7th trumpet it is blown, it will user in the seven bowl judgments, which will bring the wrath of God to its completion.

"Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven. And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: “There will be no more delay! 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants, the prophets.”

That is, there will no more delay of the 7th trumpet being blown, which will usher in the seven bowl judgments to follow, which will finish God's wrath, with the return of the Lord to the earth to end the age.

The scripture is not saying that Rev.10:7 is where everything ends, which is obvious because the 7th trumpet has to sound and the seven bowl judgments have to be poured out to finish God's wrath.

 

[GraftedBranch]

Hello GrafedBranch,

The meaning of this, is not that everything ends right there at Rev.10:7, but that when the 7th trumpet it is blown, it will user in the seven bowl judgments, which will bring the wrath of God to its completion.

"Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven. And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: “There will be no more delay! 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants, the prophets.”

That is, there will no more delay of the 7th trumpet being blown, which will usher in the seven bowl judgments to follow, which will finish God's wrath, with the return of the Lord to the earth to end the age.

The scripture is not saying that Rev.10:7 is where everything ends, which is obvious because the 7th trumpet has to sound and the seven bowl judgments have to be poured out to finish God's wrath.

Greetings

It seems to me that the mystery that shall be finished is the same mystery that has been revealed to his saints in Col. 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

This agrees with the OP's stance..

 

[Hizikyah]

No they have not yet occured.

Proof of that is this one did not happen yet:

Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."



1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of YHWH; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."
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Visual reference of the chronological order:

 

[garee]

The antichrists who were already there when God finished writing his bible are not defined by as those who reject the flesh of a Jew as if it had something to do with salvation, as new creatures.

One of the many antichrists as men deceived by the father of lies is defined by the warning in 1 John 2 :26 -27 as those who think they have the Spirit of Christ, because they are trusting that men must teach us as if the anointing Holy Spirit of God was a thing of men and not that as a thing of God alone.

We are in the last days identified by the word thousand a metphor used to denote and unknown number or a unknown of what ever is in view. The Holy Spirit emphasized that point twice to make sure we hear the warning.


1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

When we look at the outward flesh of a Jew in that way they are shown as the antichrists .Seeing they still reject Christ who has no form came the first time. The Spirit of Christ, as the Holy Spirit of God will not put on flesh again. He fulfilled his promise of one demonstration of a work not visible the eyes of men .We walk by faith.

That would make every Jew who has not been born again deniers of Christ.as antichrists. The refomation has come the need for the flesh of a jew in shadows and types ended as a result of the first century reformation.

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

 

[garee]

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Christ is the first and the last voice called the sound of the trumpet .He opens Revelation with his voice and closes it with a warning (the last trump) to anyone who adds the His book of prophecy they will receive the plagues written in the whole book.

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Both those a sleep and those that remain reigning with Christ on earth together will be raised to new spirit life in the twinkling of the eye receiving the end of our faith the salvation of our soul in our new incorruptible bodies

The last day and judgment day are at the same time in the twinkling of the eye .

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[GraftedBranch]

Hello GrafedBranch,

The meaning of this, is not that everything ends right there at Rev.10:7, but that when the 7th trumpet it is blown, it will user in the seven bowl judgments, which will bring the wrath of God to its completion.

"Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven. And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: “There will be no more delay! 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants, the prophets.”

That is, there will no more delay of the 7th trumpet being blown, which will usher in the seven bowl judgments to follow, which will finish God's wrath, with the return of the Lord to the earth to end the age.

The scripture is not saying that Rev.10:7 is where everything ends, which is obvious because the 7th trumpet has to sound and the seven bowl judgments have to be poured out to finish God's wrath.

If your interpretation is correct, might I ask how you justify how hell follows with the man on the 4th horse when hell has existed for a very long time, scripturally proven ofcourse for example
"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."-Luke 16:23

This is yet another piece that leans towards the OP's interpretation that I am starting to agree with more and more it seems. I look forward to your response brother, let us love the truth

 

[followjesus]

I think I've discovered something huge about the 7 trumpets of Reverlation. What if I told you that I believe all 7 trumpets have ALREADY sounded?

What John wrote to describe the 5th Trumpet is a jawdropping match compared to what's written in Joel 2 describing the day of the Lord during the OT.

Joel 2:1-10, he describes the same locusts John saw in Revelation 9:1-12, the first woe... ready for the kicker?

Joel 2:2 says the locusts are "strong; there hath not been ever the like, *neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.*"
That had to to be the 5th trumpet then, no?

There's another kicker.. Shortly after, Joel 2:28 says
"28*And it shall come to pass *afterward*, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29*And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

Jesus coming earth WAS the earths sign of the 7th Trumpet:
"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." -Revelation 12:5

What are your thoughts my dear brother?

revelation 10:7 "But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the MYSTERY OF GOD will be ACCOMPLISHED, just as he announced to his servants THE PROPHETS.”

we all understand all paul said about the mystery of God being Christ in us, and the unification of Jew and gentile. the op is correct the 7th trumpet has already sounded at the cross. " it is accomplished" Jesus was the m=ystery that was prophecied through the prophets. the trumpet sounded then. we are well past that. because a "trumpet" is a call for the gathering of the elect. the trumpets were heard in Heaven as things were happening on earth. John hears the trumpets because He is in Heaven not on earth.

 

[Ahwatukee]

revelation 10:7 "But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the MYSTERY OF GOD will be ACCOMPLISHED, just as he announced to his servants THE PROPHETS.”

we all understand all paul said about the mystery of God being Christ in us, and the unification of Jew and gentile. the op is correct the 7th trumpet has already sounded at the cross. " it is accomplished" Jesus was the m=ystery that was prophecied through the prophets. the trumpet sounded then. we are well past that. because a "trumpet" is a call for the gathering of the elect. the trumpets were heard in Heaven as things were happening on earth. John hears the trumpets because He is in Heaven not on earth.

Hello followJesus,

Your claim above ignores the rest of exegesis regarding end-time events.

The 1st seal hasn't even been opened yet, which represents that ruler, the antichrist, the rider on the white horse.

No literal fulfillment of the 4th seal where a fourth of the earths immediate population is killed.

We have no literal fulfillment of the 5th trumpet being opened, which is where those demonic beings who are released from the Abyss and who torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like those of scorpions.

We have no fulfillment of the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates and who are released and gather 200 million demonic beings who kill a third of the inhabitants of the earth via fire, smoke and sulfur.

You have not fulfillment of the 7th trumpet which is Satan and his angels being thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth.

Further more, scripture is clear in that, Jesus doesn't return to the earth to end the age until after the 7th bowl judgement has been poured out. At the pouring out of the 6th trumpet, just inserts with narrative that he has not yet returned.

When Jesus said "it is finished" he was talking about the his sacrifice for our salvation.

People continue to water down the wrath of God, as though it could take place in the background of history without anyone recognizing it. When the wrath of God does begin, no one will have to ask, "has the wrath of God begun" because it will be all to apparent. People who continue to claim that the wrath of God has already taken place in part or completely, do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath, which will not begin until the Lord has removed his church from the earth.

The fulfillment of the Mystery, will be when Christ returns to the earth to end the age after the 7th bowl has been poured out and not before.

Currently, none of the events of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets or bowls have yet taken place.

 

[GraftedBranch]

revelation 10:7 "But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the MYSTERY OF GOD will be ACCOMPLISHED, just as he announced to his servants THE PROPHETS.”

we all understand all paul said about the mystery of God being Christ in us, and the unification of Jew and gentile. the op is correct the 7th trumpet has already sounded at the cross. " it is accomplished" Jesus was the m=ystery that was prophecied through the prophets. the trumpet sounded then. we are well past that. because a "trumpet" is a call for the gathering of the elect. the trumpets were heard in Heaven as things were happening on earth. John hears the trumpets because He is in Heaven not on earth.

You've git it brother, that's exactly what I was saying in post #102, Praise God!!

 

[GraftedBranch]

My responses to your quote in red text

Hello followJesus,

Your claim above ignores the rest of exegesis regarding end-time events.
I also made this claim, followjesus and I both agree on this. Our claim ignores nothing in Revelation, but they prove your interpretation to be wrong.

The 1st seal hasn't even been opened yet, which represents that ruler, the antichrist, the rider on the white horse.
You have added words to the book of Revelation 6:1-2, the opening of the first seal does NOT say that the rider of the white horse is the Antichrist. I have discovered the 4 horsemen are the four spirits which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth (Zachariah 6:5)

No literal fulfillment of the 4th seal where a fourth of the earths immediate population is killed.
You here again have added words to the Book of Revelation 6:7-8 does NOT say that the fourth of the earth's immediate population is killed. It says that power was given to them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. This is NOT an immediate slaughter of the earth's population, you have made that up. You should not add to the words of this book.

We have no literal fulfillment of the 5th trumpet being opened, which is where those demonic beings who are released from the Abyss and who torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like those of scorpions.
Yes, we do. The Spirit has revealed to me that the 5th angel sounded in the days of Joel. In Joel 1:6-7, the Lord says "A nation IS COME UP UPON MY LAND, STRONG, AND WITHOUT NUMBER, WHOSE TEETH ARE THE TEETH OF A LION" that HAS Laid HIS VINE WASTE & HAS BARKED HIS FIG TREE AND HAS CAST IT AWAY; THE BRANCHES THEREOF ARE MADE WHITE..... The Lord spoke through Joel in these Scriptures not for telling events that were to happen, but proclaiming the events that HAVE HAPPENED, hence the Lord saying "IS come upon" and "HAS laid My vine waste" instead of "shall".... Do you see, brother? Let us love only the truth.

You have not fulfillment of the 7th trumpet which is Satan and his angels being thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth.
Yes, I do. Jesus Himself declared this in John 12:31 "NOW I'd the judgement of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world BE CAST OUT.

I have more to reveal but need to hurry off to work now, sadly. I love you all in truth, God bless & goodbye for now.

 

[GraftedBranch]

Too late to fix my typo in John 12:31.. I'm rushed for time.. "NOW IS".. not I'd. Peace.

 

[88]

I think I've discovered something huge about the 7 trumpets of Reverlation. What if I told you that I believe all 7 trumpets have ALREADY sounded?

What John wrote to describe the 5th Trumpet is a jawdropping match compared to what's written in Joel 2 describing the day of the Lord during the OT.

Joel 2:1-10, he describes the same locusts John saw in Revelation 9:1-12, the first woe... ready for the kicker?

Joel 2:2 says the locusts are "strong; there hath not been ever the like, *neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.*"
That had to to be the 5th trumpet then, no?

There's another kicker.. Shortly after, Joel 2:28 says
"28*And it shall come to pass *afterward*, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29*And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

Jesus coming earth WAS the earths sign of the 7th Trumpet:
"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." -Revelation 12:5

What are your thoughts my dear brother?

**** the 7 trumpets will be sounded during The Great Tribulation---- it will start with Israel confirming the Covenant of Death with the Anti-Christ----the Rapture takes place before the Anti-Christ's revelation...

 

[GraftedBranch]

**** the 7 trumpets will be sounded during The Great Tribulation---- it will start with Israel confirming the Covenant of Death with the Anti-Christ----the Rapture takes place before the Anti-Christ's revelation...

False. When the 7th ANGEL sounded his trumpet in Rev 11:15, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ;" This was speaking about the first coming of the Lord.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

THAT is why its not until after the 7th angel sounded that we finally hear the loud voice in heaven saying, "NOW is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOd day and night." in 12:10, along with finally seeing people that have the testimony of Jesus Christ shortly after in 12:17. Its obvious. I encourage you to take this understanding into consideration and read over my posts again.

Also to make it more obvious, Rev 10:7 declares that when the 7th angel sounds, the MYSTERY of God should be finished, as he declared to His prophets. What is this mystery? Its the hope of glory; Christ in you. Revealed in Collosians 1:27

 

[Ahwatukee]

False. When the 7th ANGEL sounded his trumpet in Rev 11:15, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ;" This was speaking about the first coming of the Lord.

Good day GraftedBranch,

88 is correct. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are future events of which God will use to carry out His wrath. The church would have to be removed from the earth before any of those plagues of wrath take place and that because scripture states that believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath.

Furthermore, trumpets 5,6 and 7 are referred to as "woes" and that because they are demonic in nature. The 7th trumpet/3rd woe is when Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth. Though there is much evil in the world, when Satan and his angels are restricted to the earth, it will be like nothing the world has yet experienced. In addition, neither have we experienced any of the seals, trumpets or bowl judgments. I might also add that those events of wrath must take place in the last generation and therefore, the 7th trumpet could not have taken place almost 2000 years ago.

Also to make it more obvious, Rev 10:7 declares that when the 7th angel sounds, the MYSTERY of God should be finished, as he declared to His prophets. What is this mystery? Its the hope of glory; Christ in you. Revealed in Collosians 1:27

After that 7th trumpet there are seven bowl judgments yet to follow and therefore, that cannot be the end. The reference to "the mystery of God should be finished" is that after that 7th trumpet is blown, Satan is cast out of heaven and the seven bowl judgments are last, because with them God's wrath is completed. Then the end will come, when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.

By the way, the 1st seal, the rider on the white horse, is representing that antichrist and we have yet to see him. Therefore, since the 1st seal hasn't been opened, then neither could any of the other seals, trumpets or bowls have taken place, as they take place in chronological order.

 

[GraftedBranch]

Good day GraftedBranch,

88 is correct. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are future events of which God will use to carry out His wrath. The church would have to be removed from the earth before any of those plagues of wrath take place and that because scripture states that believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath.

I obviously understand that you interpret it that way. That's is why I declared your interpretation to be wrong and corrected you with very good detail of why you were wrong in the red text of post#110 ...are you going to ignore all of my evidence like one who isn't able to disprove my words?

Furthermore, trumpets 5,6 and 7 are referred to as "woes" and that because they are demonic in nature. The 7th trumpet/3rd woe is when Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth. Though there is much evil in the world, when Satan and his angels are restricted to the earth, it will be like nothing the world has yet experienced. In addition, neither have we experienced any of the seals, trumpets or bowl judgments. I might also add that those events of wrath must take place in the last generation and therefore, the 7th trumpet could not have taken place almost 2000 years ago.

Ahwatukee, I understand that you have believed your interpretation to be true and take much pride in your study of the book of Revelation but it is NOT BIBLICAL AND CAUSES GREAT CONTRADICTION WITHIN GODS WORD. I pray you have the humility to accept this. "when Satan and his angels are restricted to the earth, it will be like nothing the world has yet experienced".... YOU are making that up with your imagination. Read what the Holy Bible says about the angels that sinned:
2Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Is that not enough to prove to you that you are obviously wrong?? If not, that's okay, its easy to find more:
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

And youre trying to tell people about this horror story that is NOT going to happen for it is all a figment of your imagination and goes against everything the Holy Bible says pertaining to this. Im trying to correct you in the truth out of love, and you need to humble yourself for the words above in read from the bible prove your entire thesis to be unbiblical and incorrect.

 

[Ahwatukee]

"when Satan and his angels are restricted to the earth, it will be like nothing the world has yet experienced".... YOU are making that up with your imagination.

Really?! your claim above is exactly why people do not interpret it correctly and that because you don't understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. That entire time period when the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place, will be like nothing the earth has ever experienced and Jesus said so:

"For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened."

And regarding Satan being cast to the earth, scripture says the following:

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.”

So yes, what I have posted is biblical, as you can plainly see from the scripture above, it will be a time like no other. You have corrected me on nothing and my interpretation is scriptural and remains.

2Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Is that not enough to prove to you that you are obviously wrong?? If not, that's okay, its easy to find more:

The angels mentioned above by both Peter and Jude are speaking of those angels who took for themselves wives from the daughters of men. These God had put down into Tartaroo until the great white throne judgment. Satan and the other angels are still out and about. Therefore, Peter and Jude were not talking about all of the fallen angels, just that group prior to the flood. If you are claiming that all of the fallen angels have been put into gloomy dungeons in Tartaroo, then how could Peter and Paul write the following:

"Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." - 1 Pet.5:8

"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one." - Eph 6:16

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

If Peter and Jude were referring to all of the fallen angels reserved in judgment, then how could our struggle be against the ruler, authorities, against the powers of this dark world and the spiritual forces of evil? If all of the angels were in tartaroo, then there would be no struggle against them, because they would have no exposure to human beings.

As it is, Satan is not sealed in the Abyss until after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. As I am typing this many other scriptures regarding fallen angels are coming to mind, like that collective group of fallen angels/demons collectively called "Legion." If all angels were being referred to by Peter and Jude in scriptures that you provided, how could those angels/demons have possessed that man? In addition, Jesus and the apostles were casting out demons everywhere they went, which would also demonstrate that Peter and Jude could not be referring to Satan and all the angels being cast down into tartaroo.

During the time of God's wrath, there is going to be a lot of demonic activity taking place. Things that the world will have never experienced. At the 5th trumpet those fallen angels/demons will be released from the Abyss and will torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like that of a scorpion.

At the middle of the seven years, Satan and his angels are going to be thrown out and restricted to the earth, which is that 3rd woe. Where they will be able to focus all of their evil and malice upon the inhabitants of the earth, which is why the scripture says:

"But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

I don't post anything that I have not studied thoroughly and am not sure of. Therefore, there is no correction necessary on your part. Your error above is simply not understand which angels Peter and Jude were referring to.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Your claim above ignores the rest of exegesis regarding end-time events.
I also made this claim, followjesus and I both agree on this. Our claim ignores nothing in Revelation, but they prove your interpretation to be wrong.

Where is your scripture to backup the above? Mine is that scripture states that after the 7th trumpet is sounded, the seven bowl judgments follow. Therefore, you cannot have Jesus returning to the earth at the sounding of the 7th trumpet.

The 1st seal hasn't even been opened yet, which represents that ruler, the antichrist, the rider on the white horse.
You have added words to the book of Revelation 6:1-2, the opening of the first seal does NOT say that the rider of the white horse is the Antichrist. I have discovered the 4 horsemen are the four spirits which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth (Zachariah 6:5)

The fist seal rider on the white horse is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse of Rev.19:11-21 which is the Lord. That first seal rider is the antichrist.

No literal fulfillment of the 4th seal where a fourth of the earths immediate population is killed.
You here again have added words to the Book of Revelation 6:7-8 does NOT say that the fourth of the earth's immediate population is killed. It says that power was given to them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. This is NOT an immediate slaughter of the earth's population, you have made that up. You should not add to the words of this book.

When the scripture states that "they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth." a fourth is exactly the number of fatalities that will result. And I don't have to prove that because it is written write in the scripture. The fourth of the earth is the percentage of how many are going to be killed, period! Just the same as a third of the earths population is going to be killed at the sounding of the 6th trumpet.

It appears that you are the one who is ignoring scripture. I haven't added anything! By the time that Jesus returns to the earth, the majority of the population will have been decimated and all human government will have been dismantled, which fits with when Jesus said, "if those days had been allowed to go on any longer, no one would be left alive."

Yes, we do. The Spirit has revealed to me that the 5th angel sounded in the days of Joel. In Joel 1:6-7, the Lord says "A nation IS COME UP UPON MY LAND, STRONG, AND WITHOUT NUMBER, WHOSE TEETH ARE THE TEETH OF A LION" that HAS Laid HIS VINE WASTE & HAS BARKED HIS FIG TREE AND HAS CAST IT AWAY; THE BRANCHES THEREOF ARE MADE WHITE..... The Lord spoke through Joel in these Scriptures not for telling events that were to happen, but proclaiming the events that HAVE HAPPENED, hence the Lord saying "IS come upon" and "HAS laid My vine waste" instead of "shall".... Do you see, brother? Let us love only the truth.

In all sincerity, you have no idea what is still to come. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will take place in that last generation with the Lord returning after the 7th bowl has been poured out.

 

[buddyt]

1 Thessalonians speaks of the Trump of God this is the seventh Trump. Jesus returns at this 7th Trump. To believe otherwise is nonsense.

 

[Grandpa]

Matthew 24:34-39
[FONT=&quot]34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I'm a little confused between eschatology and Salvation, I have to admit. Some things seem like they must happen spiritually for salvation to occur and some things just seem like they must be some sort of end time scenario.

I would imagine, like everyone else here that is imagining, that in order for it to be a surprise like in the time of Noah, that no one really understands what must come first, what must be in the middle or what must be the end. Except maybe one guy. Or a very, very, few.

And everyone thinks they are that one guy. Or part of the very, very few. What does faith say? When it comes to the Word of God has it already happened or is it going to happen? For faith its the same thing. If God has spoken it then it has already happened. It is our darkened eyes that have not seen it yet.

Matthew 13:13-17
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[FONT=&quot]13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

It makes more sense to think all of it is in the past and be ready right now than to think such and such must first occur and be wrong, and have to run to town to get more oil.....[/FONT]

 

[MadebyHim]

I think I've discovered something huge about the 7 trumpets of Reverlation. What if I told you that I believe all 7 trumpets have ALREADY sounded?

What John wrote to describe the 5th Trumpet is a jawdropping match compared to what's written in Joel 2 describing the day of the Lord during the OT.

Joel 2:1-10, he describes the same locusts John saw in Revelation 9:1-12, the first woe... ready for the kicker?

Joel 2:2 says the locusts are "strong; there hath not been ever the like, *neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.*"
That had to to be the 5th trumpet then, no?

There's another kicker.. Shortly after, Joel 2:28 says
"28*And it shall come to pass *afterward*, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29*And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

Jesus coming earth WAS the earths sign of the 7th Trumpet:
"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." -Revelation 12:5

What are your thoughts my dear brother?

We shouldn't start at 5th trumpet, we need to look at 4 others first.

[h=3]First Trumpet: Vegetation Struck[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth.[SUP][a][/SUP] And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
[h=3]Second Trumpet: The Seas Struck[/h][SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
[h=3]Third Trumpet: The Waters Struck[/h][SUP]10 [/SUP]Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

[h=3]Fourth Trumpet: The Heavens Struck[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And I looked, and I heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”