American fundamentalist vs Muslim fundamentalists

[Mediate]

Oh please. Love for your brother and love for God are already the same thing in both religions whether you want to realise it or not.

There are muslims who make better Christians than a lot of the 'christians' I know.

 

[moment_of_faith]

Not in the Lords eye they don't -- If you don't accept then you will go to hell

 

[Mediate]

Dangerous words.

 

[celestemekent]

The problem is that there are fundamentalists of any persuasion Christians or Muslims. Both are far more into "Security" and "control" instead of learning and growing. Both have learned everything they possibly can learn, their minds are corroded and limited to what they have already.

 

[kayem77]

Oh please. Love for your brother and love for God are already the same thing in both religions whether you want to realise it or not.

There are muslims who make better Christians than a lot of the 'christians' I know.

In your rush to defend muslims ( and I know not all muslims perform violent actions like these ones) please don't say Christianity is the same as every religion. It's not. I don't condone what the American fundamentalists did, but the Bible is still the word of God. And truth remains to be only one - Jesus Christ and his gospel.




Instead of causing division, we can pray for the people in Libya, and make an effort to be the Christians God wants us to be.

 

[Nautilus]

Fundamentalists are bad regardless where they come from

 

[moment_of_faith]

You will DIE IN YOUR SIN If you don't believe I AM HIM .. You will die in your sin. The Lord Jesus Christ Says

 

[celestemekent]

That is all very good Moment of faith, but your sort of following will never bring you into the fullness of what God has for you. You need to learn to take risks and apply what little faith you have.

 

[abair]

Both religions teach love.

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?
you must joking

 

[abair]

I may lose my job beause i said at work it is wrong to kill just because someone Insult mohammad
if we consider what in the video insulting because it all in quraan and muslim book
wake up
"most muslim" ready to cut your head if you said mohammad loves women and rape children and killer
when the same time they teach children at school mohammad married 65 times and had slaves and married 6 years old aisha
and killed jews and through them out of arab land and order muslims to prevent jews from enter arab land
because you do not undrestand arabic language yu can not see or know the attack on christians in arab and muslims press and tv

 

[jimmydiggs]

I'm a Fundamentalist, because a Fundamentalist believes:

1. The Inerrency of Scripture
2. The Literal nature of the biblical accounts, especially christ's miracles and the creation account in Genesis
3. The Virgin Birth of Christ
4. The Bodily Resurrection and physical return of Christ
5. The Substitutionary Atonement of Christ on the Cross
   

I also believe a donkey talked:
Numbers 22
28 Then the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”

I believe the bible when it makes a supernatural claim. I'm not surprised that some people would attack those who believe the bible when the bible makes a supernatural claim.

 

[Mediate]

I may lose my job beause i said at work it is wrong to kill just because someone Insult mohammad
if we consider what in the video insulting because it all in quraan and muslim book
wake up
"most muslim" ready to cut your head if you said mohammad loves women and rape children and killer
when the same time they teach children at school mohammad married 65 times and had slaves and married 6 years old aisha
and killed jews and through them out of arab land and order muslims to prevent jews from enter arab land
because you do not undrestand arabic language yu can not see or know the attack on christians in arab and muslims press and tv

Exactly. Of course it is wrong.

The Qu'ran has the command 'Thou shalt not kill'.

It has hyperbole in it the same as the bible ie 'cut off your right hand'.

That doesn't mean you LITERALLY go out and cut off your hand.

Neither does it mean you go and 'stone people to death'.

Stones are symbolic of punishment and judgement.

But there will always be people who are very bad at interpreting the MEANING of the words and will use it to their own ends.

The Qu'ran says 'Oh mankind, Allah created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other, not that ye may despise each other.'

The bible says 'Love thy neighbour'.

The Qu'ran also says '"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression"

It means that when someone attacks you, you defend yourself. It also means 'do not transgress limits'. The limit of such would be to show mercy and only to apply such force as necessary. 'Turn them out from where they turned you out', gives meaning to the verse also. Do not use excessive force. Only that which is necessary.

To be fair, their country has been invaded and taken over by people who are destroying their religion.

But many Muslims realise that the burning of a Qu'ran does not constitute murder. It is not 'necessary force'.

I for one sympathise at times with the Muslim community. There are the few who give them all a bad name.

'Jihad' simply means 'to exert more effort', usually if not always in the context for helping a situation.

The very, very loast resort is murder and many clued in muslims read the passages about murder being the worst sin after blasphemy against Allah.

It IS supposed to be a religion of tolerance, mercy and peace, but as we have seen, fundamentalism can strike even such a teaching.

We've seen it in Buddhism and Islam and Christianity.

When all three actually teach to live in harmony with each other.

NONE of these religions teach that it is better to force others to believe what we believe. Yet both 'sides' are putting this before the teaching of love.

LOVE comes first in all these religions.

But sadly judgement seems to be what everyone wants to do instead.

....anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. (5:32)
"You shall not kill any person - for God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped."(17:33)

These Qu'ran verses are reiterated firstly in our ten commandments, and secondly when God lists the detestable things; one being the murder of innocents.

You may not have any respect for Islam in it's true form, but I do.

Some of the people who blaspheme it with murder and hate are not in my good book. But they are wayward and convicted. And it is hate that of others and hate for others that has send them on this path. Again, I do not detest them. I only pity them.

 

[Mediate]

It does not allow war to spread the word of Islam. Only to defend it.

Christianity doesn't allow war at all. So which nation is more unfaithful to their religion? Or are both just as bad?

I don't condone killing at all. So a Muslim who understands his own book has no reason to kill me. I am not trying to hurt them.

 

[abair]

QUOTE]
The Qu'ran has the command 'Thou shalt not kill'
[/quote]

كتب عليكم القتال وهو كره لكم "

سورة البقرة

"killing writtin on you "

"يا ايها النبي حرض المؤمنين على القتال"
سورة الانفال

"Prophet rouse the Believers to the fight"

وقاتلوهم حتى لاتكون فتنة و يكون الدين لله
سورة الانفال

fight them until there is no temptation so religion be to God

واعدوا لهم ما استطعتم من قوة و من رباط الخيل ترهبون به عدو الله و عدوكم
سورة الانفال

And prepared them all you can of power, and of steeds

Terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy

فإذا لقيتم الذين كفروا فضرب الرقاب
سورة محمد

If you meet those infidiels smite the necks

اقتلوهم حيث وجدتموهم
سورة النساء

kill them where you find them

وقاتلوا المشركين كافة
سورة التوبة

fight all infidiels

قاتلوا ائمة الكفر انهم لا ايمان لهم
سورة التوبة

fight heads of infidels they do not have faith

الا تقاتلوا قوما نكثوا ايمانهم
سورة التوبة


you do fight who reneged their faith do not you ??


اقتلوا المشركين حيث وجدتموهم
سورة التوبة

kill infidiels where you find them


قاتلوهم يعذبهم الله بايديكم ويخزيهم و يشف صدور المؤمنين
سورة التوبة



Fight Allah torturing them by your hands
And dishonors them And heal the breasts of Believers

قاتلوا اللذين لايؤمنون بالله و اليوم الآخر و ولايحرمون ما حرم الله و رسوله و لايدينون بدين الحق من اللذين اوتوا الكتاب حتى يعطوا الجزية عن يد وهم صاغرون
سورة التوبة

fight who not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who do not forbid that which Allah has forbidden and His Messenger, and who do not believe in the right religion of those who were given the Book until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued

and so many else

you know what your problem yu do not know

quraan have every thing and And its opposite because mohammad change his words when it works for him

so do not be lazy and read quraan befor you talk about it

 

[abair]

does not allow war to spread the word of Islam. Only to defend it

i was muslim i study quraan and mulims explaination for it and history of muslims wars

you so ignorant man go and do some reading

 

[JimJimmers]

It does not allow war to spread the word of Islam. Only to defend it.

Christianity doesn't allow war at all. So which nation is more unfaithful to their religion? Or are both just as bad?

I don't condone killing at all. So a Muslim who understands his own book has no reason to kill me. I am not trying to hurt them.

Well, Christianity not allowing any war at all is an arguable point, but the U.S. is not a theocracy like Iran etc. I would never accuse the leaders of the U.S. of being Christ-like.

 

[Mediate]

The word kill can be used as a way of saying 'kill their ways'. Teach them of sin.

Smite their sin as you find it.

Real ignorance is saying 'God is love' and then saying 'But we can kill whoever we please'.

 

[abair]

The word kill can be used as a way of saying 'kill their ways'. Teach them of sin.

Smite their sin as you find it.

Real ignorance is saying 'God is love' and then saying 'But we can kill whoever we please'

be Specific please are talking about the bible or quraan ???

because in quraan there is no such thing call God is love ???

and who said quraan from God

mohammad made up quraan it is Quotation from arab poetry befor islam

 

[Keystone]

This is what Winston Churchill said about Islam in his book The River War

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome

The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899

 

[moment_of_faith]

Abair -- thanks for all the knowledge.