American fundamentalist vs Muslim fundamentalists

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moment_of_faith said:
They come from Abraham and Hagar -- Jews come from Abraham and Sarah -- we have different beliefs all the way through.
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True. I think Mediate's point was not that the two religions were identical but that they have similarities, and that you cannot disagree.

That may be a one world religion you are speaking
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There's a difference between tolerating other religions and blending all religions into one. I may be mistaken, but I believe Mediate is talking about toleration, not about giving up one's beliefs for someone else's.
 
Yeah .. Their god is our Anti-Christ .. We have a lot in common. Jesus told you that our heads will be cut off for him and the muslims will cut it off for that reason.


Yep we have a lot in common
 
jimmydiggs said:
I'm a Fundamentalist, because a Fundamentalist believes:


  1. The Inerrency of Scripture
  2. The Literal nature of the biblical accounts, especially christ's miracles and the creation account in Genesis
  3. The Virgin Birth of Christ
  4. The Bodily Resurrection and physical return of Christ
  5. The Substitutionary Atonement of Christ on the Cross
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Thank you for making that distinction. I was going to mention that I thought we needed to define some of the words we were throwing around. I know what some of my fellow posters mean when they say "fundamentalist Christian" as a bad thing, but I think it's important to note the following distinction:

The "fundamentalism" we are talking about in this thread, that is evil, whether it wears a coat of Islam or Christianity or indeed even Atheism, is one of intolerance. This is something VERY different than "fundamental Christianity" according to the fundamentals listed above.

The fundamentalism we're talking about doesn't just believe certain tenets of their own faith, they cannot tolerate criticism of their own faith by those outside their faith. In the extreme, they cannot accept the very existence of those outside their faith.

Example: Most of us believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Those of us who are from the US and other western countries have been raised to understand a tolerance that not everyone believes in Jesus. For the most part, we take a "live and let live" attitude about non-believers. We may try to convert them, but ultimately, we won't kill them if they refuse to conform to our way of thinking.

Fundamentalism, in the way it is being used in this thread, is the inability to accept beliefs outside your own. In the extreme, it means "kill the infidel." It should be noted that there are less extreme strands here in the US among Christians. While I've met VERY few Christians who will actually advocate killing people who disagree, there is a hatred and passionate intolerance for those who believe differently. We've seen it right here on this board, as tempers flair in debates and arguments. I'm not saying anyone who says "I'm right and you're wrong" is just as bad as an Islamist who bombs an embassy. Certainly, it's a matter of degree. I'm rather pointing out the beginning of that slippery slope, and where it can lead if taken in the hands of someone already impoverished who has been bred from birth to believe all his problems have been caused by "The American."
 
Well Jimmy, and Moment, thanks for your righteous judgement. IF I could have a room on the fourth floor of Hell please, seeing as you are the ones who say who goes and who doesn't . . .

Thanks.
 
Mediate said:
Well Jimmy, and Moment, thanks for your righteous judgement. IF I could have a room on the fourth floor of Hell please, seeing as you are the ones who say who goes and who doesn't . . .

Thanks.
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LOL. Reminds me of several jokes I've heard.
 
War begets war. Violence begets violence. This is a law of humanity we can't ignore and the only way for it all to stop is for each person to be the change they wish to see in the world.

Back and forth' It 's their fault', 'no it's not'.

It is the bane of humanity that we judge outwardly before inwardly.
 
It is the bane of religion that one says 'I am righteous'.

And it is apocalyptically detrimental when one continually justifies wrongdoing. It is never justified.

There are reasons, yes. Even God understand that things happen for reason.

But the only way this world is going to get any better is when people look inwardly.
 
Mediate said:
War begets war. Violence begets violence. This is a law of humanity we can't ignore and the only way for it all to stop is for each person to be the change they wish to see in the world.

Back and forth' It 's their fault', 'no it's not'.

It is the bane of humanity that we judge outwardly before inwardly.
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My Hebrew professor said, "thousands of years ago, one semite threw a rock at another, and they've been throwing it back and forth at each other ever since. The rocks just get bigger and deadlier.

Love your icon, by the way. You might be aware that he also said, "I like your Christ. Your Christians I do not like."
 
Jesus three most important teachings for me;

Love thy God. Love thy neighbour.

And 'cut off thy right hand'. It means 'cut sin off from yourself'. Pure action starts with pure thought.

When a man relinquishes all his power and dies a horrible death, beaten tortured and scarred, for sin He never committed, that is true humility.

That is the attitude I must always have.

That I should make myself wholy justified before God by being last, and coming last. If I must be trod on, then let me be trod on, as long as I love those who hate me, they cannot touch me. Not really. Not where it counts.

Jesus is compassionate. And He was emotionally connected. And He cared. And He felt sorrow and pain. And joy.

His heart was infinitely soft and his mind was infinitely strong.

It is no crime for my heart to be touched by it.

Similarly it is no crime for my heart to be touched by the travesties of the world. But there is nobody that is really 'to blame'.

It is I. Self. My own thoughts. My own mind.

If everyone took this responsibility for what happens to them, the world would be beautiful.

Everything that happens to me is a result of my own thought pattern.

If someone hits me, my reaction is MY responsibility.

And I'm not saying 'Those Muslim's shouldn't have reacted that way'.

I'm saying, 'It has happened. It has been so. So how do I . ME . . HOW DO I REACT?'

And that is always what I should think.

Not 'He did this, He did that'. It's 'It has happened. How can I react in Love?'

Sometimes I fail.

I'm sorry for the snide comment Jimmy.
 
TheGrungeDiva said:
My Hebrew professor said, "thousands of years ago, one semite threw a rock at another, and they've been throwing it back and forth at each other ever since. The rocks just get bigger and deadlier.

Love your icon, by the way. You might be aware that he also said, "I like your Christ. Your Christians I do not like."
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It's why I have it as my avatar.
 
I have a few thoughts that I'd like to share. My own thoughts. Not from God. But I know God directed me to them.

The first is that God is my God. He has right to judgement. And only Him. I believe that we are as babies in His hands.

And I hiss and scratch my other brothers and sisters sometimes. And this is the first thing. I believe He'd rather we hugged and kissed. If that is an adequate metaphor.

Jesus always touches me. He speaks in ways that tap into the conscience of man, rather than the fear of man. And this is the first principle of my faith.

That conscience is of God and fear is not.

The fear of God, as it is put, is not a 'I am going to Hell if I don't do this' kind of fear.

it's more of a 'this is not right. I should not do this because it is wrong' kind of fear.

I do not follow the word through fear of Hell. I follow it for the lifting up of mankind.

This is important.

In love, we can see things that sometimes are not usually seen. The anguish of those who commit sin. The guilt that drives despair. The spite that drives anger within a person.

And there are three things that I can do without. Fear of punishment. Anger. And lust.

These are the three things that Jesus, I believe, did not have.

He had no fear of Hell. Why? I don't think it was because He was God's Son. I think it was because His actions were geared towards helping, rather than punishing.

The only anger I saw Him have was for Pharisees. Not because they taught different doctrine. I don't believe that was it.

I think it was because they taught with an outward look. They said 'You sinner', without conscience.

TO exalt myself above another sinner is not a helpful tool.

I should say 'I have sinned too. How can we stop?'

The other thing that I have come to see is that faith is not a mystic belief. It is the action of loving universally.

I cannot attain righteousness ever. Because my human state has me thinking angry thoughts at times. Impure thought. And it is sin to do so.

So I cannot adequately judge my brother when my very state is constantly one of sinning, forgiveness, then sinning. The log is always being taken from my eye.

So all that I can do to be as good as I can be is to purify my thoughts within myself. Turn the righteous sword inwardly.

And this is what the flame of Hell is.

It is judgement.

And to turn that judgement inwardly puts myself in a position where I am already changing. Evolving. Moving forward.

It is not about a set of rituals and rules for me. But rather the constant 'IS what I am doing right?'

There is a reason Jesus was perfect.

He has atoned for all our wrongdoing and set us free.

But as He says, we should not use this freedom to sin and judge, but to work in ways pleasing to God. Lift one another up.

I always remember Judas. Who betrayed Him. And still Jesus sat Judas at His table and ate with Him.

I am always changing and this is the point I am at right now;

'Why do we fight?' And that is not a question for an answer. It is really me saying 'We can stop'.
 
Mediate said:
Both religions teach love.
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I disagree. You should do a more thorough study of the Quran.

Do you think it is love to treat your wife as if she is cattle?
Doesn't 1Peter 3:7 tell us to give honor unto our wives?

Do you think it's love to stone those who are guilty of adultery?
What did Jesus do when they brought such a woman before Him who was caught in the very act? John 8:4-11


No both religions do not teach love.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 
The bible uses the 'stone them to death' hylerbole too.

It's hyperbole.

I heard there were muslims who gave condolences to the victims.

Its all to do with interpretation.
 
1Christianwarrior316 said:
Do you think it is love to treat your wife as if she is cattle?
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Not particularly. Now you tell me, does this sound loving:

This is the law of jealousy: when a wife, being under the authority of her husband, goes astray and defiles herself, or when a spirit of jealousy comes over a man and he is jealous of his wife, he shall then make the woman stand before the Lord, and the priest shall apply all this law to her. Moreover, the man will be free from guilt, but that woman shall bear her guilt.
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Would you say the religion from which the above quote comes was a loving one, making a woman guilty, whether or not she commits adultery, just because her husband is jealous, but if the man sins, there is no guilt? Is that loving?


You should do a more thorough study of the Bible.

No both religions do not teach love.
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If you're proof-texting, then you are right: both religions do not teach love.
 
The law of jealousy is a law regarding jealousy. Lol.

God is a jealous God.

Jealousy does not belong to man.

It's all to do with interpretarion. Thank you GrungeDiva.

It is a description of human reaction.

This is all about discerning.

With real context, both religions teach love.
 
It's funny how there was already a girl here who lives in a muslim country saying what really happens in muslims countries and what they teach there, yet in your arrogance you all still claim to know better than her. Label me as a bigot if you want, but the Quran is not a good book, mainly because it rejects Jesus, the real Jesus, Savior and Lord.
 
She lives in a Muslim country???

Americans live in a Christian country ... Dont make all the teachings Christian does it?

My arrogance, in all honesty, has nothing to do with you.

I know Muslims. I have muslim friends. They have discernment enough to read the book as it's intended.
 
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