Amillennial theology is in error - (no literal thousand year reign)

[BradC]

[h=1]PART 1 Amillennial theology is in error - (no literal thousand year reign)[/h]By Don Koenig
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The prevalent theology of the Church for over fifteen centuries is that the Church is in the millennium of God. Those that hold this position say the thousand-year kingdom in the book of Revelation is only figurative and it really does not mean a thousand-years but it means a undisclosed period of time. The teaching generally is that the Christian Church is true Israel or has replaced Israel at Pentecost and that we have been in the kingdom on earth since Pentecost. Most who hold this view say all kingdom passages in the Old and New Testament dealing with unfulfilled prophecy must be spiritualized or allegorized to pertain to the Church. This position that there is no literal thousand-year reign is called amillennialism and it is held by most of the main-line liberal Protestant denominations and the Catholics.
The early fathers of the first two centuries of the Church were premillennial, meaning that they thought that Jesus would come back before the promised earthly kingdom actually started. They included Pothinus, Justin Martyr, Melito, Hegesippus, Tatian, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus and Apollinaria.

Amillennial theology actually began with a school of theology at Alexandria, Egypt in the beginning of the third century which proposed that scripture should be allegorized. Most of this theology was later rejected as heretical, but the allegorization of prophecy was retained by Augustine and incorporated into Catholic doctrine. The later reformed theology of the Protestants retained this teaching.

Augustine taught that the Church was living in the millennial period. For that reason many in the Church fully expected the second coming around 1000 AD. When this did not occur the assumption was made that the thousand-year period mentioned in Revelation was also figurative and it just meant an undisclosed period of time. This doctrine is still taught in most of Christianity today.
[h=2]Dispensational premillennial theology - (the Kingdom on earth promised is still future)[/h]In the 1830's Darby taught that there should be a distinction between Israel and the Church and that the prophetic scriptures to physical Israel will be literally fulfilled. This position says that those on earth are still before the thousand-year period taught in Revelation (premillennial). This view teaches that after Jesus' second coming He will literally rule on the earth for a thousand-years. In this view there is a difference between the promises of the Old Testament to the descendants of natural Israel and those who have already been born into the new covenant by faith. Dispensational theology states that God has dealt with people differently in different dispensations of time (different rules for living), thus, the theology is called Dispensationalism.

Those in this theology believe that when the times of the grafting in of the Gentiles are fulfilled, God will once again deal with the descendants of natural Israel to fulfill the literal promises in scripture directed to them. The new covenant actually was given to natural Israel without conditions but since they rejected their King they could not come into their kingdom. This gave time for the Gentiles to be grafted into the new covenant promise by God's grace. Someday the descendants of Israel will acknowledge their offense and receive their King and the new covenant promises. At that time all scripture promised to the natural descendants of Israel will be literally fulfilled.

This theology has become popular with Bible literalists and had been the view held by many evangelical denominations. It used to be the predominant view of Baptists, Pentecostals and independent Bible churches. Popular books such as the "The Late Great Planet Earth" by Hal Lindsey and the "Left Behind" series of novels by Lahaye and Jenkins have done much to teach the common Christian this view. However, in the last decades there has been a big shift in Evangelical and Pentecostal churches to post-millennial teaching that proclaims the church will defeat all enemies and establish a Christian era before Jesus returns (Dominionism). Never mind, that no such concept is taught in scripture. Never-the-less, this teaching has become popular because it appeals to the flesh. For this article we will focus on just amillennial and dispensational teaching.

Dispensationalism is sometimes misunderstood. Dispensationalism is not different ways to find salvation; it is different rules for living in each dispensation for those who are saved on the basis of their faith in God.
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[BradC]

PART 2 Which theology is correct?

I believe that dispensational theology is generally correct, although I do not believe that all points in classic dispensational theology are correct. For example: I do not believe only those since Pentecost are the bride of Christ. I think all sons of Abraham that are saved by faith and trust in God are in the commonwealth of Israel and the olive tree and they are part of the body and bride of Christ. I think Romans, Galatians, Hebrews and other books of the New Testament make it quite clear that those before Pentecost drank from the same spiritual rock - which is Christ. (1Co 10:4)
The real problem I have with the amillennial position is that it changes the true meaning of hundreds of unfulfilled prophetic passages. Much of the plan of God for the immediate future is done away with and is not taught. Much of the amillennial Church appears to be sleeping instead of reaping the harvest with the catalyst of an imminent return of Christ.
The dispensationalist believes that natural Israel was chosen by God for the purpose of teaching the whole world the knowledge of God. The many laws and observances were to keep natural Israel as a distinctly pure people and priesthood on the earth. The covenant God had with Israel was based on their obedience to the Law. God said that if they kept the Law they would receive from Him a blessing and if they did not keep the Law they would receive a curse. In history we see this covenant being played out. God makes it unconditionally clear that if the nation of Israel returns to Him that He will restore them and be their God. As with all covenants with God this covenant cannot be broken even though today we see most of natural Israel still in disobedience and disbelief. Israel will be broken, but God's promises to her will never be broken.

Jesus delivered all who believe from the curse of the Law but the Jews have not yet believed. They cannot enter into their promised kingdom on earth because of unbelief. Scripture indicates that one day after the time of the grafting in of the Gentiles is complete, they will believe and the kingdom will be restored to them. All the prophets tell us about this restoration but the amillennialist distort these prophecies by putting spiritual meanings on literal promises that God made to physical Israel - promises that cannot be annulled if God is trustworthy.

Amillennial theology teaches that we are now in the millennial reign of Christ and dispensational theology says that it is yet future. According to Chuck Missler (a dispensational author/teacher), there are at least1,845 references in the Old Testament and 318 references in the New Testament to the promise of an earthly kingdom with a literal Messiah ruling the world from His throne in Jerusalem.
Amillennial theology is in error and is a recipe for confusion
The allegorizing of prophetic scripture allows the interpretation of these passages by the theology of the denomination interpreting them. For example, the Catholics would allegorize some passages quite differently than would some of the reformed churches. Thus, the allegorical position leaves all prophetic scripture open to interpretation by the theology one has. Under this system of interpreting what the prophets really said, everything is subjective and open to debate and the prophet's words cannot be taken literally.

 

[BradC]

PART 3 Is Satan bound?

To be living in the millennium now, the book of Revelation indicates that Satan must already be bound, so the amillennialist say that Satan is already bound. In some sense Satan may be bound in the life of those living according to the will of God but scripture says that Satan has the power to blind the eyes of those who do not believe and that he has emissaries who appear as ministers of light. The scriptures also say that he has the power to destroy flesh and to hinder and deceive believers. Peter urges Christians to resist him. Furthermore, scripture says that one is coming from Satan who will have all power and signs and lying wonders. The book of Revelation tells us that Satan has a throne and a synagogue at a location on earth. Therefore, from scripture and world conditions it should be clear that Satan is not yet bound but is still going about as a roaring lion seeking whom he can devour. If Satan is not bound, amillennial theology fails. For the reasons given above and many more reasons given below, this theology does fail.
Does a thousand-years mean an undisclosed period of Time?

Amillennial theology tells us the thousand-year period spoken of six times in Revelation does not mean a thousand years but means an undisclosed period of time. Nowhere in scripture is a thousand years used as an undisclosed period of time. In fact there are two places in scripture that tells us that a day with the Lord is as a thousand-years. Scripture also tells us that there remains a day of rest for the people of God, so it only makes sense that this day of rest is the thousand years spoken of in Revelation. This is the day spoken of in Bible prophecy when Jesus rules from the throne of David in the great Sabbath day called "the day of the Lord".

This day will last a thousand years just as God said it would. Amillennial believers like to use the scripture where God says He owns cattle on a thousand hills to justify their position that "a thousand" could be any number of years but in the context of this passage it is explained that God is talking about the whole world, not just a literal thousand hills. In Revelation there is no such context or biblical precedent to take it any other way than to mean a literal thousand years. God could not have been any clearer; He said "a thousand years" six times in one short passage. If He really wanted to say an undisclosed period of time an all intelligent God would have no problem communicating that to us.
Is the Church now reigning on earth?

Amillennial theology tells us that Jesus and the Church are now reigning on earth. If the Church is reigning, then why is the world in the condition that it is in? They believe that Satan is bound and the Church is reigning, but evidence shows that true Christians are a small minority and are losing ground to doctrines of demons. The true Church has not even reigned in the Christian denominations, so how in the world could she be reigning in the world? Even scripture says that evil men will wax worse and worse, so how do we reign over them while they still are allowed to rule here?
Scripture also says that Christ will sit on the throne of His glory when He comes with His holy angels and at that time He will perform a judgment and then rule the nations with a rod of iron. As yet no angels have come and no judgment has taken place and no one is ruling with a rod of iron. We can only make the conclusion from this and other similar passages that Jesus has not yet established His rule on the earth. We also are specifically told in scripture that the time of kingdom rule is set by the authority of the Father alone. Yet Jesus told them by His own authority to wait in Jerusalem for the power from the Holy Spirit so that they could be witnesses to the whole world.In no way can being a witness be equated to reigning in a restored kingdom.Therefore, the promised kingdom whose time is set by the Father was not fulfilled at Pentecost as some amillennialists claim.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
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Jesus told us to pray "thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven" If the kingdom has already come on earth there would be no reason to continue to pray this prayer if the prayer was already answered by God at Pentecost. Then why do those in amillennial churches still pray this example of prayer by rote? This is contradictory!

 

[starfield]

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence".

Jesus never promised a literal earthly kingdom.

 

[p_rehbein]

well, a couple of things I guess..........

Seems to me that when it comes to the wisdom of man, "theology," that there are "errors enough" to go around.........

And another thing, some of what you say you believe, those who are A-millennial also believe......does this make you a wee bit A-millennial?

............anyway.........TMI..........for my OTD, and ADD to take in in one reading........but that's my

 

[starfield]

PART 3 Is Satan bound?

John 12:31-32 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

 

[SarahM777]

It just seems strange that somehow these verses get left out too. If God was promising Abraham an earthly kingdom,in the Middle East that would not end how does these verses fit?


2 Peter 3

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.[a]

So if that is the case then wouldn't God be breaking His promise of an eternal land on the earth in the Middle East?

And how does one fit these in there also under the same premise?

Hebrews 11

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.


39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.



Doesn't looking at that plot of land cheapen up what Abraham was really promised? That plot of land was a type and shadow of the promise that Abraham was given. It can only make sense that way knowing they were STRANGERS and FOREIGNERS on earth and this is and was NOT their home. The promise is the ETERNAL LAND and Jerusalem.

 

[BradC]

John 12:31-32 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Are you saying that this passage is suggesting that Satan has been (literally) cast out of the world through judgment?

 

[BradC]

well, a couple of things I guess..........

Seems to me that when it comes to the wisdom of man, "theology," that there are "errors enough" to go around.........

And another thing, some of what you say you believe, those who are A-millennial also believe......does this make you a wee bit A-millennial?

............anyway.........TMI..........for my OTD, and ADD to take in in one reading........but that's my

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Would you like to mention those similarities as it pertains to this thread?

 

[Tintin]

Part 4: Should BradC write his own material and not just copy and paste other people's work?

 

[BradC]

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence".

Jesus never promised a literal earthly kingdom.

The statement Jesus made had to do with origin... from heaven.

 

[BradC]

Part 4: Should BradC write his own material and not just copy and paste other people's work?

It's important that others see what other believers have to say about the subject according to their convictions. That is one of the principles of the body of Christ that we receive their portion and contribution in the grace of God. This man wrote a paper, I was edified by it and wanted to make it a contribution on a thread. I think you can understand that and it's not outside the will of God.

 

[Gjolll]

Jesus told us to pray "thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven" If the kingdom has already come on earth there would be no reason to continue to pray this prayer if the prayer was already answered by God at Pentecost. Then why do those in amillennial churches still pray this example of prayer by rote? This is contradictory!

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.

Dispies are a bit like holo-hoaxers. Their theology is complete garbage, yet thy put so much effort into it, one never ceases to be amazed. The fundamental proposition, that Israel is not the church, was disproved by Paul in Romans. He showed there existed a spiritual Israel, who was the church, and a natural Israel, who was cut off from the promises.

As for Darby. The less said the better. He was not second Paul.

 

[BradC]

PART 4 Physical Israel plays a physical role in the millennium.

The Scriptures tells us that physical Israel will have an important role in the millennium. Some of this is outlined in J. Dwight Pentecost, "Things To Come"
"In order to be subjects, Israel, first, will have been converted and restored to the land, as has already been shown.
Second, Israel will be reunited as a nation (Jer 3:18; 33:14; Ezek. 20:40; 37:15-22; 39:25; Hos. 1:11).
Third, the nation will again be related to Jehovah by marriage (Isa. 54:1-17; 62:2-5; Hos. 2:14-23).
Fourth, she will be exalted above the Gentiles (Isa. 14:1-2; 49:22-23; 60:14-17; 61:6-7).
Fifth, Israel will be made righteous (Isa. 1:25; 2:4; 44:22-24; 45:17-25; 48:17: 55:7; 57:18-19; 63:16; Jer. 31:11; 33:8; 50:20, 34; Ezek. 36:25-26; Hos. 14:4; Joel 3:21; Mic. 7:18-19; Zech. 13:9; Mal. 3:2-3).
Sixth, the nation will become God's witnesses during the millennium (Isa. 44:8, 21; 61:6; 66:21; Jer. 16:19-21; Mic. 5:7; Zeph. 3:20; Zech 4:1-7; 4:11-14; 8:23).
Seventh, Israel will be beautified to bring glory to Jehovah (Isa. 62:3; Jer. 32:41; Hos. 14:5-6; Zeph. 3:16-17; Zech. 9:16-17)."
John Walvoord states, (THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM), Zondervan Publishing, Grand Rapids, Mich, 1971):
"The lesser role of Gentiles in the millennium is the subject of many Old Testament Scriptures such as the following: Isaiah 2:4; 11:12; 16:1-5; 18:1-7; 19:16-25; 23:18: 42:1; 45:14; 49:6, 22; 59:6-8; 60:1-14; 61:8-9; 62:2; 66:18-19; Jeremiah 3:17; 16:19-21; 49:6; 49:39; Ezekiel 38:23; Amos 9:12; Micah 7:16-17; Zepheniah 2:11; 3:9; Zechariah 8:20-22; 9:10; 10:11-12; 14:16-19. [Ibid, p. 508]
Outstanding in these Scriptures is the fact that, first, the Gentiles will share many of the spiritual and economic blessings of the millennial reign of Christ. Second, they will, however, occupy a subordinate role to Israel (Isa 14:1-2; 49:22-23; 61:5-9). Third, as indicated previously, only Gentiles who are declared righteous by the King will be allowed entrance into the millennial kingdom at its beginning."
[Isa 2:2-4]:
(v. 2) "In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains;
(v. 3) Many peoples [i.e., many types of peoples which inevitably must include Gentile nations, foreigners and not Jews, cp. Ex 21:8] will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. [Note that this is what a Gentile would say not a Jew]. He will teach us His ways, so that we may walk in His paths.' The Law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
(v. 4) He will judge between the nations [Notice: more than one nation] and will settle disputes for many peoples [Notice: more than one type of people, i.e., race].
They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."
[This condition of peace has not yet occurred yet so is yet future and speaks of our Lord's millennial kingdom rule]
[Dan 7:14]:
"He [the Messiah, Jesus Christ, (v. 13)] was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and His kingdom [comprised of all peoples, nations and men of every language] is one that will never be destroyed."
[Zech 2:10-11]:
(v. 10) " 'Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you,' declares the LORD [speaking of His millennial kingdom rule].
(v. 11) Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become My people [in the sense of being believers and in His will]. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty [God the Father] has sent Me [the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ] to you."
[Zech 8:20-23]:
(v. 20) "This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Many peoples [i.e., foreigners, non-Jews, cp. Ex 21:8, same word, (Strong #5971) which is translated as strange nation or foreigner, i.e., non-Jews] and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come [speaking of our Lord's millennial kingdom rule],
(v. 21) and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, 'Let us go at once to entreat the LORD and seek the LORD Almighty. I myself am going.'
[Note that this has not happened yet so is yet future and speaking of the millennial rule]
(v. 22) And many peoples [Strongs #5971, non-Jews, i.e., Gentiles, foreigners] and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the LORD Almighty and to entreat Him.
(v. 23) This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.' "
[So all Jews will be highly respected by Gentile peoples of all nations as God's mortal human representatives of God on earth during our Lord's millennial rule]
[Zech 14:16-]:
(v. 16) "Then the survivors from all the nations [after our Lord's judgment of the nations, (Mt 25)] that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.
(v. 17) If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain.
(v. 18) If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain.
(v. 19) This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles."

These above are things that need to be considered

 

[john832]

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence".

Jesus never promised a literal earthly kingdom.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

In fact, He is returning and then stays here...

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

And then the Father comes to earth...

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[p_rehbein]

Would you like to mention those similarities as it pertains to this thread?

I believe that dispensational theology is generally correct, although I do not believe that all points in classic dispensational theology are correct. For example: I do not believe only those since Pentecost are the bride of Christ. I think all sons of Abraham that are saved by faith and trust in God are in the commonwealth of Israel and the olive tree and they are part of the body and bride of Christ. I think Romans, Galatians, Hebrews and other books of the New Testament make it quite clear that those before Pentecost drank from the same spiritual rock - which is Christ. (1Co 10:4)

PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE BELIEVE..............
Jesus delivered all who believe from the curse of the Law but the Jews have not yet believed. They cannot enter into their promised kingdom on earth because of unbelief. Scripture indicates that one day after the time of the grafting in of the Gentiles is complete, they will believe and the kingdom will be restored to them. All the prophets tell us about this restoration but the amillennialist distort these prophecies by putting spiritual meanings on literal promises that God made to physical Israel - promises that cannot be annulled if God is trustworthy.

SIMILAR TO WHAT WE BELIEVE........except you are forgetting the "disclaimer" the Apostle wrote in his Epistle. Maybe you should read again that particular passage about the "grafting in" of the natural branches, and pay attention to the "disclaimer," and you might want to consider what Elias said about the Jews and their number..........

For me, well, tell ya what.............should both of us still be here on the day that Eastern Sky SPLITS.............you can hang around for another thousand years if you want, ok with me.............BUT I'm going with Him.

 

[BradC]

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.

Dispies are a bit like holo-hoaxers. Their theology is complete garbage, yet thy put so much effort into it, one never ceases to be amazed. The fundamental proposition, that Israel is not the church, was disproved by Paul in Romans. He showed there existed a spiritual Israel, who was the church, and a natural Israel, who was cut off from the promises.

As for Darby. The less said the better. He was not second Paul.

Are you admitting that there is an Israel and a people that exist outside of the church who are in unbelief?

 

[BradC]

PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE BELIEVE..............
Jesus delivered all who believe from the curse of the Law but the Jews have not yet believed. They cannot enter into their promised kingdom on earth because of unbelief. Scripture indicates that one day after the time of the grafting in of the Gentiles is complete, they will believe and the kingdom will be restored to them. All the prophets tell us about this restoration but the amillennialist distort these prophecies by putting spiritual meanings on literal promises that God made to physical Israel - promises that cannot be annulled if God is trustworthy.

And this is pretty much the problem with the amillenialist who have missed the mark.

 

[nl]

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities: and the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also. Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. - Zechariah 8:20-22

Zechariah 8:20-22 is the foundation text for: An Humble Attempt To Promote Explicit Agreement And Visible Union Of God’s People, In Extraordinary Prayer, For The Revival Of Religion And The Advancement Of Christ’s Kingdom On Earth - from Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758)

There is a hope and a future. Much prophecy remains unfulfilled. It's not all happening in the sky. Jesus will return and stand upon the earth.

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth - Job 19:25

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Part 4: Should BradC write his own material and not just copy and paste other people's work?

I get a little sick of these cuts and pastes too. Takes hours to respond to them point by point. It is getting crazy on both sides.

If people do not want to discuss, Why not just say so. Don;t try to push someone elses opinions down our throats..l