An Often Overlooked Sign of the Last Days

[John146]

It absolutely has gone out into all the world 2,000 years ago through the Apostle Paul and others. Those people groups who are existing now who are ignorant have had the gospel come unto them at some point in time. Their ancestors either rejected it or did a poor job passing it down to the next generation.

Romans 16:25-26, [SUP] "[/SUP]Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"

Colossians 1:5-6, "[SUP] [/SUP]For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:"

Colossians 1:23, "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Once again Scripture tells us the gospel Paul taught had gone out unto all the world, to every nation, and preached to every creature under heaven.

Not yet, according to how that part is to be interpreted (people groups or nations) there are still quit a few left yet. But we are getting close.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The "grace" believer gospel is part of the falling away spoken of in the OP. It stands shoulder to shoulder with the emergent church movement in denying Christ.

It's funny that you should mention 300 AD. That's around the time that Augustine introduced gnostic error into church doctrine, sharply deviating from what the church fathers before him taught and believed. The pure lawless "grace" gospel is just Augustinian gnosticism gone to seed.

Why do you hate grace so much, You speak as if it is a dirty word..

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen...well said....they feign to be for righteousness but it is really their righteousness and not depending on Christ's righteousness.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The real scary thing about the explosion of false teachers in these last days is many are becoming more subtle. If they can't fool people by blatantly saying salvation is by faith and works, they just blend in like a chameleon and pretend to believe salvation by grace through faith, while teaching backdoor salvation by works! We need to keep contending for the faith and expose false doctrine!

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 1:3

 

[eternally-gratefull]

#2 is not an end time teaching. That has been taught throughout church history. It's only in modern times that we are seeing the opposite being taught by false prophets.

Interesting, SInce legalism was fought against by paul in the bible. Licentiousness was faught by all the apostles in the bible. and the world wide visible church enforced its works based, grace shattering gospel of works since the paganized church was formed in the 3rd century.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It absolutely has gone out into all the world 2,000 years ago through the Apostle Paul and others. Those people groups who are existing now who are ignorant have had the gospel come unto them at some point in time. Their ancestors either rejected it or did a poor job passing it down to the next generation.

Romans 16:25-26, [SUP] "[/SUP]Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"

Colossians 1:5-6, "For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:"

Colossians 1:23, "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Once again Scripture tells us the gospel Paul taught had gone out unto all the world, to every nation, and preached to every creature under heaven.

Pauls teaching did not reach every person in what we call the united states when he was alive.

We have well respected people who tell us what people groups have not yet been reached.. I do not have the list. But again, It depends on what you call people groups.. Are they nationalities, if they are, there are very few left. It it is local tribes, or language groups. there are more..

either way, Again, we are almost there, so even that prophesy will be true soon.

 

[Grace777x70]

I think we have to read scripture with understanding that certain sayings like "in all the world, to every nation, ..etc".....these are Hebrew idioms which cannot be taken as literal. Paul did not preach the gospel to all the world ...there were whole continents that he had no knowledge of.

It absolutely has gone out into all the world 2,000 years ago through the Apostle Paul and others. Those people groups who are existing now who are ignorant have had the gospel come unto them at some point in time. Their ancestors either rejected it or did a poor job passing it down to the next generation.

Romans 16:25-26, [SUP] "[/SUP]Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"

Colossians 1:5-6, "For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:"

Colossians 1:23, "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Once again Scripture tells us the gospel Paul taught had gone out unto all the world, to every nation, and preached to every creature under heaven.

 

[Timeline]

Acts 17:6 When they did not find them, they began dragging Jason and some brethren before the city authorities, shouting, “These men who have upset the world have come here also;

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a real pest and a fellow who stirs up dissension among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.

Romans 10:18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

1 Cor. 11:31-32 [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.


The "End of the Age" spoken of, in the Bible, occurred at that time. We are not waiting for those things to happen. I cannot say that those things won't happen again, as I don't believe that the Bible addresses our future. But I do believe that Salvation through Jesus Christ is still available to all who will hear and believe (as well as others things that true belief would cause us to do). I really don't understand how prophecy has become such a tangled mess, where one must explain everything that has ever been unreasonably attached to each and every prophecy.


Jesus died on the cross for our sins and conquered Death, having satisfied the Law, so that we may be with Him, now and forever.


1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life

Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, [SUP]5 [/SUP]even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), [SUP]6 [/SUP]and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, [SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

 

[John146]

Are you denying what Scripture says? Do you not think that in 2,000 years from now, it is a possibility that the U.S. could be an unreached people group?

Pauls teaching did not reach every person in what we call the united states when he was alive.

We have well respected people who tell us what people groups have not yet been reached.. I do not have the list. But again, It depends on what you call people groups.. Are they nationalities, if they are, there are very few left. It it is local tribes, or language groups. there are more..

either way, Again, we are almost there, so even that prophesy will be true soon.

 

[Grace777x70]

The very fact that you had to say this...proves what is happening around the world to the message of the gospel of the grace of Christ alone for salvation - not only in being born-again but to live our whole Christian life on this earth. There is an all out attack on the pure gospel of the grace of Christ. It's very telling. We see people denying their only Lord and Master and what He has done in His finished work for us.

It will always be for all eternity " Worthy is the Lamb"...it will never be " Worthy is the Lamb....and me because I finished what He couldn't do"

Interesting, SInce legalism was fought against by paul in the bible. Licentiousness was faught by all the apostles in the bible. and the world wide visible church enforced its works based, grace shattering gospel of works since the paganized church was formed in the 3rd century.

 

[John146]

So we can make the Bible say anything we want it to say, especially when it disagrees with our theology? Come on, let the Bible be true and honest to you. You open the door to any private interpretation on any passage. That's the road a Calvinist takes. "All men does not mean all men, only the elect."

I think we have to read scripture with understanding that certain sayings like "in all the world, to every nation, ..etc".....these are Hebrew idioms which cannot be taken as literal. Paul did not preach the gospel to all the world ...there were whole continents that he had no knowledge of.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you denying what Scripture says? Do you not think that in 2,000 years from now, it is a possibility that the U.S. could be an unreached people group?

The native peoples in north and south america were not reached in pauls day..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The very fact that you had to say this...proves what is happening around the world to the message of the gospel of the grace of Christ alone for salvation - not only in being born-again but to live our whole Christian life on this earth. There is an all out attack on the pure gospel of the grace of Christ. It's very telling. We see people denying their only Lord and Master and what He has done in His finished work for us.

It will always be for all eternity " Worthy is the Lamb"...it will never be " Worthy is the Lamb....and me because I finished what He couldn't do"

remember, you and I would be killed in the 3rd century by the church for our heretical beliefs (wink)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So we can make the Bible say anything we want it to say, especially when it disagrees with our theology? Come on, let the Bible be true and honest to you. You open the door to any private interpretation on any passage. That's the road a Calvinist takes. "All men does not mean all men, only the elect."

it is well known that in biblical times, "all men" refered to all men in the known world.. In pauls day, it meant all men in the roman empire..

 

[Grace777x70]

Ok..then If we take everything literal in the bible..then Jesus is a real lamb...we KNOW that Paul did not know about the whole world as it truly was. We need some spiritual understanding in things when we real the scriptures or we'll get all kinds of weird and wonderful things from it .

But you are free to believe the whole world was preached to back 2,000 years ago and that Jesus is a real physical lamb if you want.....be blessed and have a great day!

So we can make the Bible say anything we want it to say, especially when it disagrees with our theology? Come on, let the Bible be true and honest to you. You open the door to any private interpretation on any passage. That's the road a Calvinist takes. "All men does not mean all men, only the elect."

 

[Grace777x70]

LOL..Yes..we would be goners for sure.......now in North America they only can slander and spread false accusations against us.....just like religious people have tried throughout history to kill those that believe in Christ only. They wanted to kill Luther for saying " The just shall live by faith"...it may come to us here in NA one day where we will be killed for trusting in the grace of Jesus only.

remember, you and I would be killed in the 3rd century by the church for our heretical beliefs (wink)

 

[John146]

Actually the "Lamb of God" is a literal name given to the Lord Jesus Christ. I agree, not all the Bible is literal, but Scripture will let us know when symbolism is used.

Ok..then If we take everything literal in the bible..then Jesus is a real lamb...we KNOW that Paul did not know about the whole world as it truly was. We need some spiritual understanding in things when we real the scriptures or we'll get all kinds of weird and wonderful things from it .

But you are free to believe the whole world was preached to back 2,000 years ago and that Jesus is a real physical lamb if you want.....be blessed and have a great day!

 

[John146]

And "every creature under heaven" does not really mean every creature under heaven, but every creature under the Roman empire? So when the disciples were commanded to take the Gospel to the uttermost part of the earth, Jesus only meant the Roman empire?

it is well known that in biblical times, "all men" refered to all men in the known world.. In pauls day, it meant all men in the roman empire..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And "every creature under heaven" does not really mean every creature under heaven, but every creature under the Roman empire? So when the disciples were commanded to take the Gospel to the uttermost part of the earth, Jesus only meant the Roman empire?

please stop.

Dan 2: [SUP]36 [/SUP]“This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. [SUP]37 [/SUP]You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; [SUP]38 [/SUP]and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all—you are this head of gold

Are you telling me the babylonian empire and Nebachadnezzar ruled over all of the earth?

I said, it is well known in biblical times.. to use the known world, as the whole world.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And "every creature under heaven" does not really mean every creature under heaven, but every creature under the Roman empire? So when the disciples were commanded to take the Gospel to the uttermost part of the earth, Jesus only meant the Roman empire?

Nor is it even certain that the word preached in Colossians 1:23 is correctly translated as English past tense. It is Greek aorist which is indefinite tense, but has, rightly or wrongly, historically been translated as past tense. Thus Paul probably said that the gospel was being proclaimed to every creature under heaven, not that it already had been proclaimed. Why would he keep working if it had already been proclaimed to every creature. Nonsensical...

 

[John146]

Matthew 24:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

So with your definition of Scripture, Matthew 24:14 says in all the world, then that would only mean the Roman Empire in which Paul's Gospel went out. Either way, the logic is flawed.