I've done a little reading on the anabaptist but I'm curious as to what is unusual in their belief system that is not in other Protestant movements anyone know
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Precious friend, seems like "their commitment to non-violence, which in turn they interpret
God's Atonement for sin:
"...non-violence is so central that it often influences their broader theological framework, including their views on the atonement, where many modern Anabaptists reject the idea
that God would use violent means to solve the problem of sin." (internet)
Doesn't sound like they believe Scripture?: "Christ { violently ? } DIED For our sins"
How then can they be saved? Only God Knows, eh?
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Hello @legion, one of the principal ways that the Amish differ from other Christians/Christian churches is in the way that they carry out the Great Commission. They are isolationists, so the idea of going into all the world to share/proclaim the Gospel/make disciples, whether locally, nationally or internationally, is something that they simply do not do (e.g. Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, Acts 1:8).
There's a large Amish community nearby that we have visited many times, and from what I've been able to gather from them, they are willing to share the Christian faith with others, but ~only~ if unbelievers are willing to go to them. The thing is, the Lord Jesus gave us the command to "GO" for a very good reason, yes, so I find this particular aspect of the Amish faith and practice to be far more than just problematic!
You probably don't need them, but here are a couple of online articles about the Anabaptists, their history and what they believe (the second link is to a Mennonite Church website that offers several short articles about their core beliefs, and they apparently have a podcast too, things that the technology-free Amish never will).
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
There's a large Amish community nearby that we have visited many times, and from what I've been able to gather from them, they are willing to share the Christian faith with others, but ~only~ if unbelievers are willing to go to them. The thing is, the Lord Jesus gave us the command to "GO" for a very good reason, yes, so I find this particular aspect of the Amish faith and practice to be far more than just problematic!
You probably don't need them, but here are a couple of online articles about the Anabaptists, their history and what they believe (the second link is to a Mennonite Church website that offers several short articles about their core beliefs, and they apparently have a podcast too, things that the technology-free Amish never will).
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
Are Anabapstist the parent of Amish and memonites? if not what is the correlation between these ?
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They are, yes.
They are credo Baptists, generally believe in congregational living, and they put heavy emphasis on separation from the world (how heavy depends on which tradition). There are a few different types as you can already see from the Mennonites and Amish. Some other traditions came out of these two that are less well known, and of course there are the Hutterites.
Non violence is a big thing too as someone mentioned. I didn't know they rejected PSA.
Edit: I also believe they are strictly Arminian in their election interpretation. Someone is free to correct me here.
Hello again Legion, the following link explains a lot (though there are also sub-cultures within all three of the Anabaptist groups, if memory serves).
I don't believe that the Amish wear adornments of any kind, including wedding rings. Then again, they have something that works far better, because every married Amish man sports a beard, while none of the single men are allowed to
I'm not sure how Amish women set themselves apart as married, but I know that their "lack of adornments" led them to the use of straight pins (instead of buttons) to hold their dresses together .. OUCH
Apparently, pride over "who had the best buttons" became a problem for them somehow.~Deuteronomy
That is sad; but also hilarious. I wish I could travel back through time to see the Amish man who overheard a bunch of women praising/criticizing each other's buttons and was put over the edge and decided it was time to take the womens' buttons away.
Anabaptists were not 'protestants'.
Please see:
Correction. The Anabaptists were a part of the radical wing of the Protestant reformation.
It stands to reason that Independent Bible believing churches that stood for the fundamentals of the Word, spreading the true gospel always existed.
I don't think modern churches, calling themselves Anabaptists, are the same as those who Carol refered to in Trail of Blood. This is one reason why people think Baptists are Protestants. It's also because their viewpoints are restricted to the Catholic centric books. Protestants' common fallicy is to lump every non Catholic church as protestant. Their history is limited to RC, Orthodox and protestants.
Anabaptists and Baptists are two completely different groups.
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intra-Christian taxonomy is unnecessarily complicated.
Given that Anabaptists were persecuted by magisterial protestants, I understand why they don't want the label I also understand why baptists don't want the label either.
The thing about Baptists and Anabaptists, is that they disagree on how a person achieves salvation, they disagree what the atonement meant, and disagree on whether or not a person should live in a closed-community of like-minded believers or be active participants in society.
When we get into the sub-cultures like reformed-Baptists and Hutterites, we find two outlandishly different versions of Christianity, with different views on the fundamentals of the faith, and almost entirely different views of God.
This is just the theology of things, this doesn't even touch on history, politics, and cultural aspects of it all. It is also true that many Pentecostals, 7th day Adventists, and non-denominational house churches don't want the shared Protestant label either.
But the one thing all of these churches have in common, and something that they all share with magisterial-Protestants, is that they believe their church is the fullness of a bible-centered Christianity. I wish we had a better word for this, but I think this is what people mean when they say "protestant." It is just easier to say "Protestant" than "Radical Reformed" or "Free-Church Credo-Baptist" or whatever.
Given that Anabaptists were persecuted by magisterial protestants, I understand why they don't want the label I also understand why baptists don't want the label either.
The thing about Baptists and Anabaptists, is that they disagree on how a person achieves salvation, they disagree what the atonement meant, and disagree on whether or not a person should live in a closed-community of like-minded believers or be active participants in society.
When we get into the sub-cultures like reformed-Baptists and Hutterites, we find two outlandishly different versions of Christianity, with different views on the fundamentals of the faith, and almost entirely different views of God.
This is just the theology of things, this doesn't even touch on history, politics, and cultural aspects of it all. It is also true that many Pentecostals, 7th day Adventists, and non-denominational house churches don't want the shared Protestant label either.
But the one thing all of these churches have in common, and something that they all share with magisterial-Protestants, is that they believe their church is the fullness of a bible-centered Christianity. I wish we had a better word for this, but I think this is what people mean when they say "protestant." It is just easier to say "Protestant" than "Radical Reformed" or "Free-Church Credo-Baptist" or whatever.
Yes, they certainly are these days.
The Roman Catholic church used to refer to those who didn't believe in baptizing infants as rebaptizers or anabaptists, those who baptized again.
Those churches that believed in Christ for salvation outside of the RC church and it's sacraments were baptizing adults after they professed faith in the the Lord.
That term didn't start out as a denominational title, but a disparaging insult by the Catholics. That was later shortened to Baptists.
I've been around many Roman Catholics who did not know I was not RC. Apparently their priests taught them that Baptists and Protestants are cults and consider them to be the same as their ancestors did.
On the other hand, there are those more ecumenical that go to the other extreme. I've talked with an American Baptist pastor who occasionally switches pulpits with his RC priest friend on Sundays.
(1) An emphasis on love as a core relationship - from this comes their views on non-participation in war
(2) An emphasis on discipleship - thus following out Jesus' teachings like the Sermon on the Mount in actual living
(3) An emphasis on church/brotherhood - thus sharing resources, helping one another, rather than dependence on insurance companies
Many Mennonites are very active in local and cross-cultural missions in all areas of the world. Most conservative Amish groups do little or no direct outreach, though some progressive groups are involved with some mission work.
Are Anabapstist the parent of Amish and memonites? if not what is the correlation between these ?
About the time (1500s) when people got the bible in their own language many discovered that there was little support for infant baptism. This caused many to get re-baptized (anabaptisezd). This started in Switzerland, but quickly traveled down the Rhine. In the low country a former priest named Menno Simones took up the cause and from him came the Mennonites and Amish. These traditions were brought to the US with various immigrant groups.
About the time (1500s) when people got the bible in their own language many discovered that there was little support for infant baptism. This caused many to get re-baptized (anabaptisezd). This started in Switzerland, but quickly traveled down the Rhine. In the low country a former priest named Menno Simones took up the cause and from him came the Mennonites and Amish. These traditions were brought to the US with various immigrant groups.
I don't have reasons to believe that the Anabaptist denomination today is the same as the Re-baptizers of the middle ages. That was a nickname given to them by the RC church.
Ana = Re or to do again.
RC Baby baptizers were opposed to churches who baptized adults to the point of mass murder of those who did. The popular churches of europe were Catholic or later Protestant that carried that Catholic tradition into their own churches.
Those who led people to Christ as adults, followed by baptism aka immersion were commonly called AnaBaptist.
Today there are so many differences between Baptist denominations and even churches from the same circle of origins that the only way to know their beliefs is to ask.
Thank you for the brief history about the Mennonites. I've heard a number of them and the Bruderhoffs, another German denomination much like Mennonites culturally, mention that they defend from Anabaptist churches. I'm not up on details and doctrine right now.
Today there are different "flavors" of both Amish and Mennonite. In the 1500 some of the anabaptists did go off the rails at Munster. Both the Lutherans and Catholics wanted to exterminate them.
Perhaps it was the awareness of the hostility of established churches to the concept of adult baptism that motivated the KJV translators to avoid the translation of baptizo as immersion and instead use a transliteration "baptize".
Perhaps it was the awareness of the hostility of established churches to the concept of adult baptism that motivated the KJV translators to avoid the translation of baptizo as immersion and instead use a transliteration "baptize".