Antichrist

[Follower777]

Interesting discussion Y'all got goin' on here

I can tell that most you folks seem to be dispensationalist, following the Jesuit inspired and developed, “Futurist” theological hermeneutics.

Well, I pray, Let me support the Biblical interpretation and side with the Protestant Reformers and the 50+ million people who have died, martyred for their beliefs, many listed below. ~~ ( Note: I use AI to help generate this response, it saves LOTSA time ~~

The identification of the Papacy as the Antichrist power is grounded in a careful comparison of prophetic Scripture with historical fulfillment. From a biblical and Spirit of Prophecy perspective, here are the key identifying characteristics and how they relate to the Papacy:

1. Blasphemy and Claiming Divine Authority

1. The antichrist is described as one who “opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God…so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4). ~~( The Popes have many times, claimed to be "God on Earth" and claims "infallibility") ( "anti " also means, IN PLACE OF, ... rather than "against" )
2. The Papacy has historically claimed prerogatives that belong to God alone—such as the forgiveness of sins and the title “Vicar of Christ.”
3. “The man of sin, who thought to change times and laws, has exalted himself above God by presenting this spurious sabbath to the world”.

2. Changing God’s Law

1. Daniel 7:25 says the little horn would “think to change times and laws.”
2. The change from Sabbath to Sunday observance is a hallmark of this,
3. ( She claims "Sunday is the Mark of her authority” , what we refer to as "The Mark of the Beast ) countered by God's "sign of authority", His Sabbath
4. Sabbath is God's sign or mark of authority, and the following verses support this:
   • Exodus 31:16-17
   • Ezekiel 20:12, 20
   • Revelation 7:2-3
   • Isaiah 8:16
5. “The Sabbath was a token between God and His people, a sign that they were His loyal subjects.”
6. ( The Papacy has literally altered God's Law, re-writing to change, the meaning and understanding of God's 10 Commandments )
7. “Statesmen will uphold the spurious Sabbath… mingling church craft and state craft... This union is weakening all the power of the churches”.

3. Persecution of the Saints

1. Revelation 13:7 and Daniel 7:21 predict that the antichrist power would “make war with the saints.”
2. History confirms the Papal Church persecuted dissenters during the Dark Ages. ( Killing Reformers and 50+ million adherents )
3. ( “The determination of antichrist to carry out the rebellion he began in heaven will continue to work in the children of disobedience”.)

4. Alliance with State Power

1. Revelation 17 describes a woman (symbol of a church) riding a beast (a political power).
2. The union of church and state as a feature of the papal system.
3. ( We see this today, as America and the Papacy come together, in ideology and goals. Remember Prez. Joe Biden, claiming that the Pope is the “Moral authority of the world” ~Rev13:3 )
4. The image of mingled “iron and clay” in Daniel 2 also symbolizes this blend of civil and religious authority.

5. Global Influence and Apostasy

1. Revelation 13:3 declares “all the world wondered after the beast.”
2. “Babylon will make all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication,” and this includes Sunday enforcement through global unity against God's law.

6. Promotes False Doctrines

1. The “wine” of Babylon includes the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness. ( following Satan, who said "You shall surely NOT die", Gen. 3:4 )
2. These errors “teach for doctrines the commandments of men” and identify the Papacy’s apostasy from Bible truth.

7. Final Conflict Over Worship and the Sabbath

1. The central issue in the last days will be worship—obedience to God’s Sabbath versus a man-made substitute (Sunday).
2. “This false sabbath is to be enforced by an oppressive law… the Christian world has accepted this child of the papacy”.

The biblical antichrist is not just an openly atheistic power but a professedly Christian institution that substitutes human authority for God’s Word. The Papacy as fulfilling these characteristics through historical and prophetic analysis, pointing especially to its role in Sabbath desecration and spiritual deception.

Blessed Sabbath Folks

 

[GWH]

Dude-- you got upset--- why? Because someone "dared" to ask you a "why" question. That's hubris on fire, when you think you should never be questioned. Get hold of your ego.

Now you failed to discern that I have been calmly discussing and answering your questions with Scripture citations,
whereas your accusations manifest upsetness without sharing GW.

I hope you will go back to where you became pejorative and take a friendly tack instead.

 

[GWH]

Charles Manson or Hitler could then be on that list according to the reason you provided and even though they're dead we know they were not the Antichrist.

Yes, they and their followers were anti-Christ but not "the" only ones who were anti-Christ.
My point is that you are referring to the ultimate Anti-Christ, but let us not fail to resist the others,
whom we encounter now, whereas we may not be alive at the end/eschaton.

 

[MrE]

Now you failed to discern that I have been calmly discussing and answering your questions with Scripture citations,
whereas your accusations manifest upsetness without sharing GW.

I hope you will go back to where you became pejorative and take a friendly tack instead.

Yawn. Your taking of offense, is a you problem, not a me problem. I asked you a simple question about why you would eliminate the Pope and the President as antiChrist candidates.

Have a nice day.

 

[GWH]

Yawn. Your taking of offense, is a you problem, not a me problem. I asked you a simple question about why you would eliminate the Pope and the President as antiChrist candidates.

Have a nice day.

So yesterday.

 

[Omegatime]

John 5:43 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. ( antichrist )

UNJUST JUDGE A.K.A. ANTICHRIST

Luke 18: 2 He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor regarded man; 3 and there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Vindicate me against my adversary.’ 4 For a while he refused; but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor regard man, 5 yet because this widow bothers me, ( to whom the widow fled in her forgetfulness of God — that is, the earthly Jerusalem will vindicate her, or she will wear me out by her continual coming.’”

6 And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge says. 7 And will not God vindicate his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? 8 I tell you, he will vindicate them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on earth?”

 

[Follower777]

Excuse me folks, I misunderstood the question of this CC thread .. Titled “Antichrist”

I thought it was, “Who is the antichrist ? Slight difference.

... if you'll indulge me, I will respond to that subject, NOW

The antichrist is a power that opposes Christ by substituting human traditions for divine truth and placing man in the place of God. This does not restrict the term to a single individual in the end times but identifies it with a system of apostasy, particularly as manifested in the Papacy. Here is a summary defining and describing the antichrist, with key references:


1. Antichrist is a counterfeit religious power

“The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power. He declared that the day of Christ should not come, 'except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition'..." ( The falling away, is the transfer of power from the Roman Empire, to the Holy Roman Empire, the RCC )

• This “man of sin” or “son of perdition” (2 Thess. 2:3-4) is the antichrist system that sits in God’s temple and claims divine authority.
• 1 Cor. 6:19,20 What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own? For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

2. Antichrist is the Papacy
“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.” this is claimed many times in Papal doctrine.

“This is the spirit of the papacy—the spirit of conformity to worldly customs, the veneration for human traditions above the commandments of God. Wherever this spirit of the papacy exists, there is the antichrist.”

3. Antichrist opposes God's law:

Daniel 7:24-27

1. Matt. 24:24
2. 2 Thess 2: 3-12
3. 2 John 7
4. Rev, 13:1
5. 1 John 2: 18-22
   Children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they went out, in order that it might be shown that all of them are not of us. And you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you …

4. Antichrist and false worship

1 John 2, "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son."

Revelation 13, mentions that "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." This verse indicates that the Antichrist will have a global following, compelling people to worship him instead of God = "the Papacy"

John 13:15 The image of the beast and the final crisis over Sunday laws are the ultimate manifestation of the antichrist power.

5. Antichrist is spiritual deception
Matt 24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."

2 Thessalonians 2, which says, "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way."

• Antichrist is not only an outward power but also an inward spirit of rebellion against God's authority
  ie, those who rebel against God's authority, and teach against obeying God. ie. dispensationalist. Having The spirit of Cain, first manifested in Genesis 4:8 ~~ Preferring to establish, maintain and follow their own "religion" rather than what God has proclaimed in His Word..
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• The anti-Christ spirit has most people, believing that God's Law is done away with and not required for entrance to heaven. I pray Y'all wake up and smell the roses .. The sweet savor of our Savior, who is the embodiment of the Commandments, and also continues to keep holy His Father's Sabbath, as Jesus taught in the New AND Old Testaments. ~~ Just sayin'

Summary:

• The papal system that exalts human authority over God's Word.
• A power that persecutes God’s people and changes His law (Dan. 7:25).
• The ultimate opposer and counterfeit of Christ.
• A symbol of spiritual deception, manifesting in false worship and union of church and state.

 

[Omegatime]

2 Thess. 2:2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come

Time is coming when we will gather to meet the Lord in the air ( not when he returns to earth on a white horse. )

Is not the Day of the Lord which we seek?

Day of the Lord cannot be revealed till the antichrist takes his seat in the Temple of God.

3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness ( sin ) is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

This happens 3 1/2 years into the Tribulation ( middle of the7 )

------ it would be for a time, two times, and half a time; and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be accomplished. Dan 12 ----- 2nd half of the Tribulation 3 1/2 half years

 

[GWH]

Excuse me folks, I misunderstood the question of this CC thread .. Titled “Antichrist”

I thought it was, “Who is the antichrist ? Slight difference.

... if you'll indulge me, I will respond to that subject, NOW

The antichrist is a power that opposes Christ by substituting human traditions for divine truth and placing man in the place of God. This does not restrict the term to a single individual in the end times but identifies it with a system of apostasy, particularly as manifested in the Papacy. Here is a summary defining and describing the antichrist, with key references:


1. Antichrist is a counterfeit religious power

“The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power. He declared that the day of Christ should not come, 'except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition'..." ( The falling away, is the transfer of power from the Roman Empire, to the Holy Roman Empire, the RCC )

• This “man of sin” or “son of perdition” (2 Thess. 2:3-4) is the antichrist system that sits in God’s temple and claims divine authority.
• 1 Cor. 6:19,20 What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own? For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

2. Antichrist is the Papacy
“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.” this is claimed many times in Papal doctrine.

“This is the spirit of the papacy—the spirit of conformity to worldly customs, the veneration for human traditions above the commandments of God. Wherever this spirit of the papacy exists, there is the antichrist.”

3. Antichrist opposes God's law:

Daniel 7:24-27

1. Matt. 24:24
2. 2 Thess 2: 3-12
3. 2 John 7
4. Rev, 13:1
5. 1 John 2: 18-22
   Children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they went out, in order that it might be shown that all of them are not of us. And you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you …

4. Antichrist and false worship

1 John 2, "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son."

Revelation 13, mentions that "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." This verse indicates that the Antichrist will have a global following, compelling people to worship him instead of God = "the Papacy"

John 13:15 The image of the beast and the final crisis over Sunday laws are the ultimate manifestation of the antichrist power.

5. Antichrist is spiritual deception
Matt 24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."

2 Thessalonians 2, which says, "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way."

• Antichrist is not only an outward power but also an inward spirit of rebellion against God's authority
  ie, those who rebel against God's authority, and teach against obeying God. ie. dispensationalist. Having The spirit of Cain, first manifested in Genesis 4:8 ~~ Preferring to establish, maintain and follow their own "religion" rather than what God has proclaimed in His Word..
• 
  
• The anti-Christ spirit has most people, believing that God's Law is done away with and not required for entrance to heaven. I pray Y'all wake up and smell the roses .. The sweet savor of our Savior, who is the embodiment of the Commandments, and also continues to keep holy His Father's Sabbath, as Jesus taught in the New AND Old Testaments. ~~ Just sayin'

Summary:

• The papal system that exalts human authority over God's Word.
• A power that persecutes God’s people and changes His law (Dan. 7:25).
• The ultimate opposer and counterfeit of Christ.
• A symbol of spiritual deception, manifesting in false worship and union of church and state.

Amen! That is the point I have been attempting to make (in #43, etc.).

 

[Aaron56]

Time is coming when we will gather to meet the Lord in the air ( not when he returns to earth on a white horse. )

It’s the same reference: as He is coming to the earth we who are alive are changed and then are gathered to Him in the air. This is the rapture. If you believe you go to heaven upon being raptured you’ll be disappointed: you’ll be where the Lord is.

The antecedent of this event is the rending of the cloth that separated the Holy of Holies from the rest of the temple: when Christ returns, time & space and the spiritual realm are no longer separated. The spiritual realm is seen by all and our rapture is a witness to the whole world. And at that time, when Christ returns, our gathering together with Him is the proof that we are not of this world: we, by Christ, condemn the ways of the world and those who are of them.

Sorry to cut this short. The Mrs. And I are cleaning a koi pond today.