Apologetics: witnessing to atheists

[CS1]

This list include beliefs every atheist cannot avoid/deny.

Belief in God is the logical point at which the varieties of beliefs in the world (including denominations of atheism) diverge.

I have learned a long time ago for me, I am not trying to make one accept the existence of GOD or better yet the God of the Bible.
I can only tell them why I believe. Yes, we are to give a reason why we believe to those in the world amen, I cannot change the will or the mind of anyone. The word of God and The Spirit of God must do that, and it is only done by the preaching of the gospel of Christ. I respect those who choose to engage with evolutionist, atheist and I pray you have great success in doing so.

 

[GWH]

I have learned a long time ago for me, I am not trying to make one accept the existence of GOD or better yet the God of the Bible.
I can only tell them why I believe. Yes, we are to give a reason why we believe to those in the world amen, I cannot change the will or the mind of anyone. The word of God and The Spirit of God must do that, and it is only done by the preaching of the gospel of Christ. I respect those who choose to engage with evolutionist, atheist and I pray you have great success in doing so.

You are on the correct thread for discussing why we believe. Certainly the main reason is the Gospel of Christ,
but this thread begins by considering logical reasons that should lead someone unfamiliar with the Gospel to believe in God
(cf. Rom. 1:20), which will be proposed next. Do you have any to share?

 

[LTL]

First off, slow down Trigger. I am not a Calvinist. Secondly Doctrine means teaching. You have it also if you are Orthodox Christian.

1. Israel was born when God changed Jacob to Israel.
2. as time went By the People of Israel were in captivity in Egypt after Joseph Died.
3. God told Moses that the People would get a King in Deuteronomy 17:14-20,
4. It was not until that Generation all died and The time of the Judges has come to end with Samuel the last Judge then the time of the king
5. The Seed of David would bring forth the Messiah as The Genealogy of Jesus is seen in Matthew and Luke one from David the other from Adam.
6. Jesus did not appoint John to be the next King
7. That is the most foolish thing I heard all day. was your 6&7
You have the gull to say we don't know the word of God LOL. what a Troll.

C, no one knows the Savior's entire gospel message. We learn more as we go along. Beginning with the basics of salvation. And eventually moving to the assignments of the servants as outlined in the Book of Revelation.

Since you do not know that the Apostle John was called by Jesus Christ to be the King over Israel in the last days, then you do not understand this portion of the Savior's gospel message.

I am telling you that the rapture doctrine that you believe is false doctrine and the only way to survive the coming tribulation is to know your Davidic King. The one assigned by Jesus Christ to preside at this time.

Since you reject the Savior's appointed King, then you will not survive the tribulation that is at hand.

 

[CS1]

C, no one knows the Savior's entire gospel message. We learn more as we go along. Beginning with the basics of salvation. And eventually moving to the assignments of the servants as outlined in the Book of Revelation.

Since you do not know that the Apostle John was called by Jesus Christ to be the King over Israel in the last days, then you do not understand this portion of the Savior's gospel message.

I am telling you that the rapture doctrine that you believe is false doctrine and the only way to survive the coming tribulation is to know your Davidic King. The one assigned by Jesus Christ to preside at this time.

Since you reject the Savior's appointed King, then you will not survive the tribulation that is at hand.

You sound like a Hebrew Israelite False teaching type. Jesus is the only way to the Father . He is the Only King that we all will bow and Call Lord. Your coming here on CC and spewing Moronic comments and speaking about the Rapture is foolishness.

Just provide the text that proves your Statement about John. That will be enough for me. Thank you. I think LTL you should change it to LSD. You are on something other than the word of God.

 

[LTL]

You sound like a Hebrew Israelite False teaching type. Jesus is the only way to the Father . He is the Only King that we all will bow and Call Lord. Your coming here on CC and spewing Moronic comments and speaking about the Rapture is foolishness.

Just provide the text that proves your Statement about John. That will be enough for me. Thank you. I think LTL you should change it to LSD. You are on something other than the word of God.

C, you are the atheist to the Savior's higher laws. The Moses leading the people during the tribulation (Rev. 15:3) is John. The one who wrote the revelation to his 144,000 servants (Rev. 1:1). It is time for the tribulation to begin (Rev. 1:3).

Just because you do not understand the Davidic Covenant then you ascribe that I am "a Hebrew Israelite False teaching type." When it is you life that I am trying to save. Open you mind.

 

[LTL]

C, you are the atheist to the Savior's higher laws. The Moses leading the people during the tribulation (Rev. 15:3) is John. The one who wrote the revelation to his 144,000 servants (Rev. 1:1). It is time for the tribulation to begin (Rev. 1:3).

Just because you do not understand the Davidic Covenant then you ascribe that I am "a Hebrew Israelite False teaching type." When it is you life that I am trying to save. Open you mind.

a) 3And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God,
b) and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty;
a) just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

I realize that you only read the literal aspects of scripture. but you should try the metaphorical reading which includes chiasmi.

The King of saints in the above verse is the servant of God called Moses. He leads his people through the tribulation in service to Jesus Christ (Rev. 17:14).

And I will share this. The ones who take the mark of the beast rebelling against the Savior (Rev. 16:4-7) are the goats to be separated from the sheep. This is the judgment upon them. So do not take the mark of the beast.

In other words, the warning and judgment is to the saints of God (Rev. 14:9-11) If you take the mark of the beast then you will be separated out from the sheep as goats in the judgment which is the latter half of the seven years of tribulation. You do not escape on a rapture (Rev. 13:6-7).

 

[GWH]

a) 3And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God,
b) and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty;
a) just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

I realize that you only read the literal aspects of scripture. but you should try the metaphorical reading which includes chiasmi.

The King of saints in the above verse is the servant of God called Moses. He leads his people through the tribulation in service to Jesus Christ (Rev. 17:14).

And I will share this. The ones who take the mark of the beast rebelling against the Savior (Rev. 16:4-7) are the goats to be separated from the sheep. This is the judgment upon them. So do not take the mark of the beast.

In other words, the warning and judgment is to the saints of God (Rev. 14:9-11) If you take the mark of the beast then you will be separated out from the sheep as goats in the judgment which is the latter half of the seven years of tribulation. You do not escape on a rapture (Rev. 13:6-7).

This discussion seems to be chasing a hare-brained rabbit that has nothing to do with witnessing to atheists or heretics,
so please return to a NT-based discussion related to the OP/revamped OP. Thanks. (Rev. is rather OT-based).)

 

[LTL]

This discussion seems to be chasing a hare-brained rabbit that has nothing to do with witnessing to atheists or heretics,
so please return to a NT-based discussion related to the OP/revamped OP. Thanks. (Rev. is rather OT-based).)

GWH you have a very good nature about you.

Thank you, and to all atheists. Although the saints of God may venture into debate, do not take this as having a fracture about salvation in Jesus Christ. There is only salvation in Jesus Christ. All other belief systems are of Lucifer.

 

[GWH]

GWH you have a very good nature about you.

Thank you, and to all atheists. Although the saints of God may venture into debate, do not take this as having a fracture about salvation in Jesus Christ. There is only salvation in Jesus Christ. All other belief systems are of Lucifer.

Yes, you are correct. All saints agree regarding God's requirement for salvation or else they would not be saved.
Any fractures must be about secondary issues.

 

[CS1]

C, you are the atheist to the Savior's higher laws. The Moses leading the people during the tribulation (Rev. 15:3) is John. The one who wrote the revelation to his 144,000 servants (Rev. 1:1). It is time for the tribulation to begin (Rev. 1:3).

Just because you do not understand the Davidic Covenant then you ascribe that I am "a Hebrew Israelite False teaching type." When it is you life that I am trying to save. Open you mind.

You can't save me Jesus already did that. To me you're a troll. I will be speaking to CC admin about you.

 

[LTL]

You can't save me Jesus already did that. To me you're a troll. I will be speaking to CC admin about you.

C, it is okay to reject the Savior's servant that is the Moses of our time (Rev. 15:3) if you wish. And you cleverly twisted my words. The saving that I referenced was from the tribulation via the Davidic Covenant and you know this.

And I am not a troll but sharing the finer points of the gospel with you. For your beniifit, threreby saving you from the ravages of the tribulation. But since you reject the message, then you will enjoy the torment. I have done my part in warning you.

 

[GWH]

You are on the correct thread for discussing why we believe. Certainly the main reason is the Gospel of Christ,
but this thread begins by considering logical reasons that should lead someone unfamiliar with the Gospel to believe in God
(cf. Rom. 1:20), which will be proposed next. Do you have any to share?

Bumped for @CS1. The OP was amended to include witnessing to atheists AND to heretics, defined as those who corrupt
the Gospel/Christian Creed/God's requirement for salvation (GRFS), my understanding of which is this:

The normative way of stating GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6) or “Love Jesus as Messiah and Lord” (John 8:42). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in these statements can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.

2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).

3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).

4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey (Phil. 3:12, 1John 1:8) His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).

5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4). Such cooperation can be termed “the surrendered life”.

6. This creed summarizes revelation of the NT Gospel/Truth (Matt. 26:13, John 14:6), which fulfilled the OT revelation (Matt. 5:17, John 19:30, Heb. 7:11-10:10) and culminates the search for salvation by souls who know only general revelation (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, Matt. 7:12). Seeking begins when souls love truth/repent of false beliefs (2Thes. 2:10&13, Matt. 4:17, 7:7), which is the Way to eternal life God wills, who is the Lord Jesus (Matt. 7:14, John 1:14, 4:24, 14:6). Lacking this love leads to believing lies and debauchery (Matt. 7:6, Rom. 1:18&25-26, 2Thes. 2:11-12).

I hope you agree and will find this helpful when disagreeing with folks on CC.
Sometimes the disagreement is about secondary issues rather than about the Gospel.

 

[DavidLamb]

LTL said:
C, you are the atheist to the Savior's higher laws. The Moses leading the people during the tribulation (Rev. 15:3) is John. The one who wrote the revelation to his 144,000 servants (Rev. 1:1). It is time for the tribulation to begin (Rev. 1:3).

Just because you do not understand the Davidic Covenant then you ascribe that I am "a Hebrew Israelite False teaching type." When it is you life that I am trying to save. Open you mind.

Rev 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints!

My reply:

Where are we told that the Moses mentioned in Revelation 15:3 is actually John? That verse says:

NKJV Rev 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints!

The song of Moses is recorded in Exodus 15. It begins:

Exo 15:1 Then Moses and the children of Israel sang this song to the LORD, and spoke, saying: "I will sing to the LORD, For He has triumphed gloriously! The horse and its rider He has thrown into the sea!
Exo 15:2 The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation; He is my God, and I will praise Him; My father's God, and I will exalt Him.

Where in Revelation 1:1 is it said that John is addressing the 144,00?:

NKJV Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,

Revelation 1:3 doesn't even mention a tribulation:

NKJV Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.''

 

[DavidLamb]

C, no one knows the Savior's entire gospel message. We learn more as we go along. Beginning with the basics of salvation. And eventually moving to the assignments of the servants as outlined in the Book of Revelation.

Since you do not know that the Apostle John was called by Jesus Christ to be the King over Israel in the last days, then you do not understand this portion of the Savior's gospel message.

I am telling you that the rapture doctrine that you believe is false doctrine and the only way to survive the coming tribulation is to know your Davidic King. The one assigned by Jesus Christ to preside at this time.

Since you reject the Savior's appointed King, then you will not survive the tribulation that is at hand.

Where are we told that the apostle John was called by Jesus Christ to be king over Israel? Jesus said that His kingdom is not over this world. Nowhere in the Bible does John call himself a king, and nowhere does anybody else call him a king. "Surviving tribulation" is not a matter of having John as my king, but knowing the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour.

Apart from that, what have your posts got to do with the thread title, "Witnessing to Atheists"?

 

[GWH]

Where are we told that the apostle John was called by Jesus Christ to be king over Israel? Jesus said that His kingdom is not over this world. Nowhere in the Bible does John call himself a king, and nowhere does anybody else call him a king. "Surviving tribulation" is not a matter of having John as my king, but knowing the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour.

Apart from that, what have your posts got to do with the thread title, "Witnessing to Atheists"?

Note that the OP was amended to include Heretics.
Thanks for trying to keep the discussion on that track.

 

[DavidLamb]

Note that the OP was amended to include Heretics.
Thanks for trying to keep the discussion on that track.

Sorry - I was just going by the thread title. Apologies for the confusion.

 

[GWH]

Sorry - I was just going by the thread title. Apologies for the confusion.

Someone pointed out to me that there might be no atheists on the CC forum, so I rephrased the OP as teaching Christians how to witness to atheists, and then later I realized that there ARE apparent heretical views expressed on CC from time to time, so I amended the OP to include them, but I know of no way to change the title--so there is confusion.

The main heresies on CC are discussed systematically in the Resolving Problematic Interpretations of Scripture thread.
I define "heresy" as doctrine that contradicts/corrupts/perverts the Gospel about God's requirement for salvation, NOT secondary disagreements. That distinction also causes confusion for some, especially those who have trouble wrapping their minds around the Christian creed all who are saved share/agree about.

 

[CS1]

C, it is okay to reject the Savior's servant that is the Moses of our time (Rev. 15:3) if you wish. And you cleverly twisted my words. The saving that I referenced was from the tribulation via the Davidic Covenant and you know this.

And I am not a troll but sharing the finer points of the gospel with you. For your beniifit, threreby saving you from the ravages of the tribulation. But since you reject the message, then you will enjoy the torment. I have done my part in warning you.

You're a buffoon. And to tell one they will suffer judgement proves you are a troll. I have notified CC have a nice day.

 

[CS1]

LTL said:
C, you are the atheist to the Savior's higher laws. The Moses leading the people during the tribulation (Rev. 15:3) is John. The one who wrote the revelation to his 144,000 servants (Rev. 1:1). It is time for the tribulation to begin (Rev. 1:3).

Just because you do not understand the Davidic Covenant then you ascribe that I am "a Hebrew Israelite False teaching type." When it is you life that I am trying to save. Open you mind.

Rev 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints!

My reply:

Where are we told that the Moses mentioned in Revelation 15:3 is actually John? That verse says:

NKJV Rev 15:3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints!

The song of Moses is recorded in Exodus 15. It begins:

Exo 15:1 Then Moses and the children of Israel sang this song to the LORD, and spoke, saying: "I will sing to the LORD, For He has triumphed gloriously! The horse and its rider He has thrown into the sea!
Exo 15:2 The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation; He is my God, and I will praise Him; My father's God, and I will exalt Him.

Where in Revelation 1:1 is it said that John is addressing the 144,00?:

NKJV Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,

Revelation 1:3 doesn't even mention a tribulation:

NKJV Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.''

100% Biblically correct. The LSD is coming from a theology that is in its self-confrontational. He speaks to us and tell us what we believe and that the rapture is unbiblical and we are going to be unsaved because as he says "don't know about the Davidic Covenant.
First many here do not hold to pretrib rapture and that ok. The one thing we all agree on in imminency of His Return. No this guy attack and name calls. As some rightly pointed out the thread was not even about Davidic Covenant.

 

[LTL]

100% Biblically correct. The LSD is coming from a theology that is in its self-confrontational. He speaks to us and tell us what we believe and that the rapture is unbiblical and we are going to be unsaved because as he says "don't know about the Davidic Covenant.
First many here do not hold to pretrib rapture and that ok. The one thing we all agree on in imminency of His Return. No this guy attack and name calls. As some rightly pointed out the thread was not even about Davidic Covenant.

C, it is okay that you do not have a testimony of the Savior's servant John as the Davidic King of our time.
Also, the rapture is a contract, that death will pass you by, and this type of doctrine is hammered very well in Isaiah 28 as well as 15-16.
If you knew about the Davidic Covenant then you would understand the example provided by Isaiah in the center of his book.
And yes, I hope that you as well as others survive the tribulation and so I share this important information that is far more valuable than the warning to atheists.
The atheists are fools that can not discern the light from the dark. In fact, they prefer the dark. So in my opinion it is a waste time to try and teach them the gospel message. But by chance one of them may read this post then I say to you, the God of this earth is Jesus Christ who loves you. And it is not my job to hold your hand to salvation. Join with your brothers and sisters in Christ to have eternal life. My job is to take those who have salvation to the next level which it to survive the tribulation that is only weeks away.